Created for someone who believes Ephesians 5:18 supports being indwelt ( anointed / filled etc ) with the Holy Spirit which causes someone to act drunk. It burdens me to say this but people who wont let go of certain doctrinal beliefs will twist , stretch and turn upside down scripture to support said beliefs. WHY ? Well thats something I have yet to figure out and really dont want to.
A short exchange of chats between me and her....
This starts out with me asking her what scripture she believes supports the Charismatic belief that being anointed with the Holy Spirit causes them to act drunk. Fall down, mumble, laugh hysterically/ uncontrollably etc.
Here we go-
Her ( my Charismatic friend )--- "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Ephesians 5:18 Notice how it compares being FILLED TO EXCESS WITH WINE TO BEING FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT. Holland, you have so much you have not experienced and you have CUT YOURSELF OFF by the things you have read and watched and let it poison your mind and spirit. You are sad, for all things we receive from God are received by faith and our openness to Him to do ANYTHING He wants to do.
ME ------ Are you sure you want to present that ( scripture ) as evidence as being like a drunk to being anointed with the Holy Spirit ?
HER--- Yes, sir, I do. For I have been drunk in the Spirit and it is very much like being drunk with wine. Only much more glorious and powerful. See, this is why I am telling you that you know so little and have experience so little because your mind is poisoned.
"And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Ephesians 5:18 Notice how it compares being FILLED TO EXCESS WITH WINE TO BEING FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT. Holland, you have so much you have not experienced and you have CUT YOURSELF OFF by the things you have read and watched and let it poison your mind and spirit. You are sad, for all things we receive from God are received by faith and our openness to Him to do ANYTHING He wants to do. - Yes, sir, I do. For I have been drunk in the Spirit and it is very much like being drunk with wine. Only much more glorious and powerful. See, this is why I am telling you that you know so little and have experience so little because your mind is poisoned.
She also added in our chat... RHB ( Rodney Howard Brown ) is referring to the wine of the Holy Spirit when he says that, Holland. Ephesians DOES compare being filled with the Holy Spirit to being drunk. He's not going to be judged for that, Holland.

Me-- Allow me to analzye your perception here. So you think Ephesians 5:18 says that people who are anointed with the Holy Ghost act drunk ?? Dont say you never said that. We chatted much about this. I had to urge you to share what verse it was that you believed as someone " acting drunk " to be attributed with the being anointed or indwelled with the Holy Ghost.
You said that Ephesians 5:18 COMPARES being filled with wine in excess to being filled with the Holy Ghost ? Yes you said that and are saying that. Heres the verse And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Lets cover a few more verses to to make sure we're not leaving anything out... 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; And Ephesians 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is./
So we start out knowing that God wants us to know what His Will is. Thats pretty simple.
Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Your a wonderful person and I appreciate your time sharing why you believe certain things and we all know its ok to be wrong here and there but this one puzzles me. Its very simple to understand but its ok , Ive flubbed up some simple stuff too.
Where do you get the idea that being filled with the Holy Spirit is like being drunk with wine ( in excess ) ?? Verse 18 is taking two situations 1. Being drunk with wine and 2 Being filled with the Spirit AS TWO SEPARATE situtions. God is not saying that being filled with the Holy Spirit makes one act drunk as one drinking wine..
If you find that hard to believe look at the word " BUT " between being drunk and being filled with the Spirit.
The word " BUT " means.... used to introduce a phrase or clause contrasting with what has already been mentioned. "he stumbled but didn't fall"- used to indicate the impossibility of anything other than what is being stated. "one cannot BUT sympathize"- except; apart from; other than. "in Texas, we were never anything but poor".
You are twisting your so called supporting verse (Eph 5:18)
It simply says DONT BE DRUNK B-U-T be filled with the Holy Spirit. How do you see that being filled with the Holy Spirit will make someone act drunk ? I dont get it. Let me ask you this before I continue. Lets imagine that your very correct about your intepretation andand that one whoi is anointed with the Holy Spirit acts drunk. How long should that person act drunk ? 1 minute, 5 minutes, 2 hours , 4 etc ?? What happens when its time to drive home from RHB's service or go to dinner or go to work ? What happens, does the anointing stop and leave that person whom the Holy Spirit anointed in the church service , but then abandons them after they leave the church service ? Lord help, that is a terrible thought. Do Charismatics not think these things through ? Paul was warning about being controlled by alcohol BUT rather be controlled ( filled ) with the Holy Spirit.
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More - Does Ephesians 5:18 support acting like a drunk ?- The Word drunk can be replaced with the word " debauchary " which doesn't merely refer to alcoholism as some might think. Rather, it is a broad term associated with a wasted, unproductive life. Paul's concern was that those who get drunk are not making the most of every opportunity . Ephesians 5:15 " See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, (Ephesians 5:16) Redeeming the time, because the days are evil". Do not make unwise decision is the theme in the neighboring passages. Worse, drunkenness makes one's decision-making that much poorer—a self-aggravating condition.
In the common debate over the role of alcohol in a Christian's life, verses such as this are instructive. Paul does not insist that his readers abstain from all alcohol. Had that been his intent, he could have easily said so, and presumably would have. In this circumstance, he simply commands them not to become inebriated. However, his intent is not merely a reference to alcohol. Anything which has the power to control, harm, or hurt a Christian needs to be handled with extreme care. Paul instructs us not to let something take over our facilities ( self control ) and clear thinking. Being slain in the Spirit is totally opposite of what Pauls instructions are for the Christian believer... continuing-
Paul's positive ALTERNATIVE to being drunk is to "be filled with the Spirit." Just as drinking a great deal can cause a person to be controlled by wine, focusing on the Spirit can cause a person to be filled or controlled by the Spirit. Alcohol/debauchary brings destructive behaviour while being filled with the Spirit brings on constructive behaviour. Paul was contrasting the two, not connecting the two..... continuing
However, this control or filling is not being "out of control" in the sense of some highly charismatic display of emotion. The following verses speak instead of sharing psalms, singing, being thankful, and submitting to one another. No fruit of the Spirit can be accomplished while laying on your back, instead being controlled by the Spirit is living in a manner worthy of God's calling.
Ok readers, it doesnt end here. Theres more she is referencing to support being slain in the Spirit.
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Both me and my friend agreed that all believers are anointed with the Holy Spirit upon belief. We also agree that this happens ONCE. However, we both ( and those that have studied ) know that Charismatics can and do go back for more anointings !! So now she has another problem. How can she use scripture to support that ? Here we go again !!
Her- ..... I agree with you. We receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit at salvation and no, we don't need to be anointed again and again. Perhaps I should say it this way: Acts 3:19b...."when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord." These are just times of refreshing from the presence of the Lord.

Me- I noticed you referred to Acts 3:19 - I want to study on that if what I think you said is actually what you meant.
You wrote : ....because I have experienced holy laughter and it is definitely the Spirit of God and definitely God. I agree with you. We receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit at salvation and no, we don't need to be anointed again and again. Perhaps I should say it this way: Acts 3:19b...."when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord." These are just times of refreshing from the presence of the Lord.
Me- So do I understand you correctly ? This so called anointing over and over again ( as we both see in RHBs services ) are not really Charismatics being anointed over and over again but there getting " refreshed " from the presence of the Lord ? Is this what your claiming ? You wrote ---Acts 3:19b...."when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord."
May I point out you did not include all words to that verse which are " Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord."
Again please , are you saying Acts 3:19 has " something " to do with the repeated " anointings " we see in Charismatic services ? thank you !
Eh' let me go ahead and study on Acts 3:19
What does Acts 3:19 mean? A crowd has gathered at Solomon's Portico ( porch ) to discover how a lame beggar is suddenly leaping and praising God (Acts 3:8–11). Peter explains that it is not his own power that healed this man, but the power of Jesus, whom the crowd rejected as their Messiah (Acts 3:12–16). He tells them to repent of their sins, including the corporate sin of Jesus' crucifixion.
"Repent" is from the Greek root word metanoeō. It doesn't mean "to apologize;" it means to acknowledge your way is wrong and God's way is right. It's a complete change in your view of the world.
Repentance is a major theme in Jesus' ministry, even now. In order to be saved, we must accept that our sins are wrong and that God provides the way we should live. This isn't just an intellectual exercise; we need to allow the belief to change us, inside and out. That doesn't mean we'll never sin again. It means our goal is to hate sin as much as God does. True repentance is connected to a "godly grief" that we have rebelled against God (2 Corinthians 7:9).
Peter says if they repent, their sins will be "blotted out." At that time, a lot of writing was done on papyrus. Papyrus sheets were made by taking the stalk of a type of aquatic grass, cutting the pith into strips, and pressing the strips together. This material doesn't readily absorb ink; the ink dries on the surface. So a damp cloth can wipe the ink off—those marks can literally be "blotted out."
"When the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord" means a period of spiritual renewal and revival, where people experience a deep sense of God's presence, often associated with forgiveness of sins and a renewed sense of hope, coming directly from God himself; this phrase is found in the Bible in Acts 3:19, where it encourages repentance to bring about these times of refreshing.
What is important for us to remember is that “times of refreshing” will come to each individual whose sins have been blotted out by the shed blood of Jesus Christ (Romans 4:7-8). Those who ask God for a change of heart and who live by Christ's teachings will be on the path to God's gift of conversion. Romans 4:7-8 “BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN,
AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.“BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.”/ END
There is nothing in the vicinity of Acts 3:19 that I see which supports anything to do with repeating the need or enjoyment of being slain in the Spirit. If you can find it please share !
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Another letter from my Charismatic friend but not to me. She continues to try to support being slain in the Spirit...
Rex Hartley All flesh is as grass. What does grass do when the wind blows on it? In Acts Chapter 2, they thought they were drunk. And it wasn't just what the people were hearing, i.e., the other languages. It was what they were SEEING. See what Peter says to the crowd in verse 33. (v.33) "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He has shed forth THIS (WE DON'T KNOW WHAT "THIS" IS EITHER), which you now SEE and hear." John 18:6 "As soon as He had said unto them, 'I am He', they went backward, and fell to the ground." THIS IS REAL. It is not a circus. It is joy unspeakable and full of glory. I've been touched mightily by the Holy Spirit by this ministry. You are changed forever. Be careful what you say. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not forgiven in this life or the next. Denying works that you see are the Holy Spirit when it is is blasphemy. Jesus said this in this context in Matthew 12; read it for yourself.
So my Charismatic friend thinks the soldiers who came to apprehend Jesus experienced joy unspeakable and full of glory ??? I dont think so !!
So we see my friend trying to make an illustration that when the wind blows on grass it bends backwards ( oops falls down to the ground out control ). Wow, just plain wow ! Amazing how she takes an illustration about all flesh is as of grass to support being slain in the Spirit when that passage and others referring to all flesh is as of grass illustrates the temporary life of man ! WOW ! If you can figure this frame of thinking please explain it to me.

Then she goes on to refer to Acts 2. They thought they were drunk she says. But then she takes a step further to say " they SAW ( SEEING) as though that will support her claim. NO ! Seeing and hearing the Apostles speak in other languages does NOT mean they were acting drunk. It means the people making this claim did not understand what Pentecostal tongues were. I have already covered this in my work here. The Apostle Peters statement about " we dont know what this is either that you see and hear " has NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the text to support anyone acting drunk and falling down....NOTHING ! Then she refers back to the Garden of Gethsamane trying to support being slain in the Spirit when obviously those falling backwards were under judgment. No record of Jesus disciples falling backwards. I have already covered that in this study. Then ( like you have heard me explain here already ) she goes into a warning of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. This is all so very terribly sad how people can be taught to view scripture in such an abbarent way. I cant help but to reflect on John 16:13- However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; .....
So lets study these verses she refers to and see if we can find evidence for being slain in the Spirit from the ( All flesh is as of grass ) passages..... “All flesh is of grass” is a phrase from the Bible that appears in 1 Peter 1:24. It is also found in Isaiah 40:6.
The phrase appears in the New Testament in the First Epistle of Peter.
It is a quote from Deutero-Isaiah.
The phrase is interpreted to mean that human life is transitory.
The phrase is often paired with the phrase "the word of the Lord endures forever".
Continuing his thought about the frailty and brevity of human life, David notes how the wind passes over the grass and withers it. Not a trace of the grass remains after the wind tears it down. Isaiah 40:6–8 carries the same thought by stating that "all flesh is grass, and all its beauty is like the flower of the field." Both the grass and the flower wither and fade when the Lord blows on it.
In dry climates a scorching wind often dries up grass and flowers and leaves no trace of them. Human life may span a century, but the years pass quickly and death comes inevitably, leaving only memories. The apostle James compared the rich to grass that succumbs to the rays of the scorching sun. He concludes: "So also will the rich man fade away in the midst of his pursuits" (James 1:11). He also compares human life to a mist that appears for a brief time and then vanishes (James 4:14). In view of life's brevity and uncertainty, James underscores the importance of living every day according to the Lord's will (James 4:15).
I will wait for my friend to explain her views on these 3 areas of scripture to suppport her slain in the spirit doctrine.
1,. Ephesisans 5:18 How does this support acting drunk ?
2, Acts 3:19 How does that support repeated annointings of the Spirit ?
3,.How does " all flesh is of grass " end up being passages that suppport being slain in the Spirit ?