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Plates, Bagan, Myanmar, 2005
03-FEB-2005

Plates, Bagan, Myanmar, 2005

Once again, we are expressing ideas about a photographic subject with only one basic color in it. When we remove the color, the meaning shifts. The color version, which can be seen in my Myanmar trip article at: http://www.worldisround.com/articles/139134/photo50.html , shows the plates with a golden hue. It may be due to the material of the plates, or perhaps the reflection of the color of the light coming into the tent where these plates were being displayed and sold. The golden hue suggests wealth and power, or perhaps tarnish, depending upon the context you bring to the picture. The light that falls on the plates abstracts them to a degree. The interplay of light and shadow in the reflections make the image less literal, and more interpretive. This color version is quite real, attractive, and perhaps a bit ambiguous. I thought it worked well in my travel article, giving the flavor of what you might want to shop for if you were to visit.

My black and white abstract version removes the color and the ambiguity that came with it. It also removed the emphasis on reality and turned these glistening discs into symbols of Burmese skill at making such handsome products. Because they have been abstracted twice, once by light and shadow and again by conversion to black and white, they acquire a mysterious dimension as well. They almost look like ancient breastplates or shields, lined up for display in a museum. They engage the imagination to a greater degree. Though a bit less real in black and white, these plates become more symbolic in their monochromatic incarnation.

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Phil Douglis30-Sep-2005 18:55
I agree. The black and version provides more room for the imagination to work. In color they are plates. In black and white, some of them could indeed be cymbals.
Guest 30-Sep-2005 15:00
In the BW, I thought they were symbols (musical instruments).
Guest 30-Sep-2005 14:55
M has some great points about women and color vs. bw. It also may explain why they know so many color names, while men (in general) think in primary names (red, green, purlpe, etc). It's as if men are stuck with the 8-color box of crayons, and women get the 64-color boxes. :)

I think both color and BW are great. It just depends what you want to convey. When I see BW, I don't see plates. I see shapes and contrasts in metal. When I see the color, I enjoy the same great composition, and see unique plates too.
Phil Douglis25-Aug-2005 20:00
Thanks, Mia, for this comment. I don't know if you are the "M" who began this dialogue or not, but it really does not matter. What matters is that you took the time to address these important points. I agree with you that art is both learned and innate. I also agree that art has no universal definition -- I tend to think of it as a level of expression that involves the imagination of those who view it. I also agree that interpretation is a process involving the physical and the emotional and also the intellect. As for genetics affecting the appreciation of art, it could well be a factor. We know that genetics shape our creative abilities, but as you say there are many other factors at work as well. There are no absolutes. There is much we can surmise, but little we can prove. Does a color blind person see the world as an abstraction? I think it would be a relative matter. If he or she has never seen colors, the world is the world -- it just happens to be black and white in such a case. But if you see normally and then become color blind, I can see how the world would become a much more abstract experience.

Thanks so much for throwing these ideas out there, Mia -- a gallery where black and white imagery is featured is a good place for them.
Mia 25-Aug-2005 18:06
This is a very interesting concept. I am not sure that art is a learned concept - I think part of it is innate, and the other part acquired culturally or via training. Very young children can be very artistic naturally. In fact, what is the definition of art? Some aspects seem to be universal ; regularly shaped faces seem more attractive in most if not all cultures. The interpretation of pictures is at the same time internal/emotional and physical. I think both black and white and color in pictures are abstract elements - maybe at a different level. It is a matter of perception and interpretation. Does a totally color blind person (very rare condition) deal with abstraction all his/her life? Do genetics play a role in the appreciation of art? Quite probably, but it does not make anyone better or worse, only different. It depends what we do with our inheritance (genetic, cultural, etc.) and some other factors (chemical imbalance in the body, injuries, eye problems, etc. ) Vincent Van Gogh and Claude Monet's very different perception of nature, people and things did not prevent them from creating wonderful works. Why can't it be the same with a partially colour-blind photographer, for example?
I hope you don't mind these comments although they are not directly related to this picture.
Phil Douglis25-Aug-2005 03:37
Thanks, M, for making us aware of these new studies showing genetic evidence that women see colors more acutely than men do. However these studies deal primarily with the science of genetics. They were not studies in the art of photography, defining the differences in how photographers, by gender, see and interpret colors. Genetics aside, photography or any art form is a learned process, and people acquire skills based on acquired experience over many years. I think we may be talking about apples and oranges here, M. As far as I can see, there are great color photographers, great black and white photographers, great male photographers and great female photographers. It is true that our genetic inheritance might predispose us to go into certain fields. But then so does our social inheritance and other factors. But one thing is certain -- all accomplished photographers share the ability to express ideas through abstraction. As you say, abstraction can be very subjective. But there is no argument that black and white imaging is a form of abstraction to begin with. And expressive photographers, be they male or female, genetic inheritance aside, take it from there. I am enjoying these discussions, M. Can you let me know which one of those talented students you are?
Guest 25-Aug-2005 01:54
Mr. Phil - I did not mean to offend you in any way. I invite you to read the following research studies by universities - I am glad I was the one to make you aware of it. You take such great pictures. Feel free to erase my message after you read it if you find it offensive.
http://www.terp.umd.edu/2.2/mfile/
(University of Maryland)
http://www.asu.edu/news/research/womencolors_090104.htm
(Arizona State Univeristy)
http://www.hhmi.org/senses/b130.html
(Howard Hughes Medical Institute)
http://www.colormatters.com/khouw.html
(general research – see references at bottom of articles)

As far as the reason why great women photographers have selected black and white, it is hard to say. There are days when I prefer black and white as well.
The degree of abstraction is a very subjective concept and we all, men and women, see in black and white when we wake up in the dark in the middle of the night....
Cheers. M.
Phil Douglis24-Aug-2005 23:10
Fascinating thought, M. I have not heard this in all my years of teaching -- it is probably anecdotal information. If it is true, why have most famous women photographers of our times, Margaret Bourke-White, Diane Arbus, Mary Ellen Mark, Berenice Abbott, Imogen Cunningham, Dorthea Lange, Tina Modotti, Helen Levitt, all worked primarily in black and white? Black and white and color both can stir the imagination -- it depends on how they are used. The key to the imagination is the degree of abstraction, and black and white is already an abstraction, isn't it?
Guest 24-Aug-2005 23:00
Some food for thought: I read that women have in a general a more acute sense of colour. Would it mean that black and white leaves more place for the imagination in our case (women)? M.
Phil Douglis24-Aug-2005 22:49
M, please touch! That was my intention. Glad you prefer the color version. It is more real. But I like this version. Because it leaves more room for the imagination.
Guest 24-Aug-2005 22:19
Mr. Phil - This is a great picture - I like the texture - I would like to touch. I prefer your colour version, though. M.
Phil Douglis23-Apr-2005 22:56
You give me much to think about here, Zandra, as usual. I saw this abstracted black and white version as symbols of Burmese skill down through the centuries. Being less real, they encourage the imagination to work in ways the color version does not. Your imagination has grabbed hold of this picture and in your present mood, you see these plates as heavier, darker, religious tools that exclude your own participation. This comes from the predominant black tonality, Zandra. As you learned in your own Painted Mask Image II, athttp://www.pbase.com/miinerva/image/39291006 , black can symbolize the unknown, the mysterious, and to some, a threat. Your own black mask obliterated you as a person, leaving only an empty eye to stare at us. You showed us this process once again in your recent subway series athttp://www.pbase.com/miinerva/series . In color, its reality enhanced the nature of the subway itself. In black and white, the subway almost disappears as the subject, while the resulting abstraction dares the imagination of the viewer to take over from there.

The abstracting force of dark shadow has indeed seem to carve these plates into a metal barrier. That's why it says "keep out" to you. Thanks for pointing this out, Zandra.
Guest 23-Apr-2005 19:53
Black and white leaves much more to the imagination, just as you point out on my B&W vs colour in my Story telling gallery.. As we leave out unnessesary information an image can gain a different value. This to me becomes darker and gives me a heavier hart. In a way i miss the golden tones that were there in the colour version. For me, the content becomes quit the same in both versions but the feelings for the differ. I do see symbolism in both images. I come to think of munks and the toosl they might use while practicing there religious belifs. In colour i see more an invitation to participate but in BlW it becomes more of a fence to keep outsiders away. Difficult to explain but i do see and feel the difference.
Phil Douglis30-Mar-2005 20:52
Thanks, Guy. It's the abstraction here that does it for you. There is much more left to the imagination in black and white than in color.
Guy Dube30-Mar-2005 05:45
Phil,
Some pictures are made to be in b&w. They have more meaning than in color. Here, I prefer a lot the version b&w instead the color one. For me the color one has no life. This one is 10 times more powerful for the effect.
Guy
Phil Douglis02-Mar-2005 21:12
Yes, I remember that shot well. It is spectacular. As for the color version of this one, I like that, too. Sometimes the differences between a black and white and color rendering of the same image can be very subtle, and such is the case here.
monique jansen02-Mar-2005 09:30
Beautiful composition, I also liked the color version, which reminded me a bit of one of my own photos from Chinahttp://www.pbase.com/trevvelbug/image/36416329
Phil Douglis28-Feb-2005 04:48
Your praise for this image is cherished, Bruce. It's a simple subject with universal meaning. Some, with literal minds, will just see plates. Others, such as yourself, will feel the craft that went into them, and savor the beauty that light and organization bring to the subject.
Guest 27-Feb-2005 18:24
This is beautiful, Phil. So much tactile and sensory information: the tones and textures of the materials, the rhymthmically repeating shapes, the GLOW. Wonderful. Worthy of a magazine cover.
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