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15-JUN-2004

Yesterday and Today, Shanghai, China, 2004

This simple image tells us what Shanghai once was and what it has become. The graceful little clock tower once soared over the grandstand and clubhouse of Shanghai's famous Race Course in the 1930s -- a symbol of Shanghai Society. The race-course was turned into People's Park in the 50s. Its historic clock tower became the city's library and currently houses an art museum. Behind it looms one of Shanghai's new skyscrapers, looking very much like a giant rocket ship blasting its way right out of my picture. I cropped the upper half of the skyscraper out of my frame because I wanted the building to be less literal and more symbolic. By chopping the building in half, I’ve abstracted it, and made it seem as if it has no limits. Which is very much the story of today’s Shanghai – it is one of the world’s fastest growing cities.

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Phil Douglis25-Jan-2008 20:17
You are asking the very questions I wanted this picture to ask, Vera, by abstracting it the way I did. By extension, this skyscraper of today's Shanghai is soaring over what was the city's highest structure. Just as China itself has now grown far beyond the China in our story books. How far can such economic growth take China? This image asks that question as well.
Guest 25-Jan-2008 14:50
I think there is a little of the future here as well. The unknown. How tall is that building anyway? Where is all of this progress taking us. Is it the sky is the limit? Or is it unlimited?
Phil Douglis11-Nov-2006 20:01
That is the mark of an expressive image, Theodore. The more interpretations an image inspires, the greater its breadth and depth as a trigger to the imagination.
Guest 11-Nov-2006 11:25
Wow, the interpretations here are endless.
Phil Douglis20-Jul-2006 23:31
You say your piece well, Annie. I agree that the makers of the clock tower could teach the builders of the skyscrapers a few things about grace, modesty, and life.
Annie J20-Jul-2006 23:23
I too see the face in the skyscraper. To me this image speaks of today's society-the "newer"(younger) generation wants to be "bigger and better" than our ancestors. So here you have today's generation towering over (and perhaps looking down upon?) the "grandfathers" (the clock tower) who came before them...sure, big and flashy gets noticed, but there is still a lot to be learned from the wizened clock tower in the shadow of the skyscraper, much as there is still a lot to be learned from our ancestors.
Phil Douglis24-Jan-2006 02:39
Good question, Antonio. I always grasp the concept I am using as I am shooting the picture. I do not arrive at my ideas during the post processing work. I use Photoshop to enhance my ideas, not to create them. It's just the way I think and see -- the camera is an extension of my mind, and once I make the photo the idea is either there or not.
I can't hope to find it somehow afterwards. This image, for example, was cropped in the viewfinder. I knew what I wanted to say here from the moment I picked up my camera.
Antonio Trincone 23-Jan-2006 14:42
Just two years ago as soon as I got my D70 in a trip in Naples I recognize a statue of a horse and far away a high building of the Jolly hotel the highest in the city; by the way of telephoto lens I shot at them layering the horse statue spread on the hotel windows and one of my comments to that shot was centered about the old and new transformation as here. I must admit however that during the shooting session I was struck be beauties of lines, composition, colors etc. but all work about conceptuals come after usually during my post processing work on digital image. I would like to ask, if it is possible to answer for you, when the conceptual work arise for you: before, during or after shooting ?
Phil Douglis19-Jul-2005 17:11
Once again I see that an image of mine has captured your imagination, Iannis. You draw a contrast between what you see as technology and greed vs. "real" architecture. Yet most would see it as a metaphor for progress, the new replacing the old. And that is why I made this image -- as a set of contrasting symbols that can be read by different people in different ways.
Guest 19-Jul-2005 06:54
Sometimes great art is hiden into simplicity. This simple image as you say is a very obvious abstraction of the new versus the old. On the opther hand the diference of the size of the buildings cannot tell me which of the two buildings are most valuable. As you say in your text below the image you cut off the upper part of the new building just to show the unlimited architectonic madness in Shanghai.
I t is also a great contrast between technology greed and real architecture.
Iannis
Phil Douglis09-Mar-2005 23:13
Thanks, River, for adding this thought to the growing collections of interpretations below. I am glad this image stirs your imagination, as the sight did mine. I would agree that the future should always make room for the past.
Even Shanghai, which is rapidly becoming one of the most dynamic and modern cities on earth, has a long and colorful association with its international past. As you walk its famed Bund district along the river, you can look across at the soaring towers of Pudong. As you stroll through the People's Park, you see this old clock tower contrasting in scale and style to the dynamic skyscrapers that ring that park. it is the same all over China -- so much of its energy comes from blending its historical traditions to the present and future, and that is what this image also speaks of.
Guest 09-Mar-2005 20:35
Hi, Phil,

I really enjoy this one, a very nicely captured image, and many awesome perspective and feelings can be expressed from this photo. I have to say I agree with many feelings other viewers have, but this photo brings me some more thoughts and feelings.

The clock tower and skyscraper are such contrasts to each other in the photo, but they peacefully stay there as where they are. They get along very well in this photo! Doesn't that mean something so valuable to us for our society? The new skyscrapers building is tall and modern, but it does not take over the old clock house, in fact, the clock house stands there so firmly, despite that new buildings may pose a threat to him.

Our society changes when time moves, this picture just confirmed my belief that creations from yesterday and today can both exist, and in many cases, they don't pose threat to each other.
Phil Douglis14-Dec-2004 22:35
I am fascinated by your comparison of this image to the previous one. The power of wealth is obvious here, but in its day, the small tower was a symbol of wealth as well. It is interesting how the roles of symbols change with time. Thanks, Mikel, for making this point.
Guest 14-Dec-2004 21:52
This gives me quite the same feeleng as the Xi'An warriors but in our days, plain and simple ostentation. I supose that it is some thing that human kind has looked for all his life get more and more bee greede and show off what he has over all the rest, just the same as in the middle ages here in Europe, no only the castles but the Cathedrals pecially. These were constructed to infound terror to the poor people doe to their mighiness. Can you imagine how it had to be at those times having the Notre Dame, as an example, beside you while you lived in a misserable hut? Who wold dear to go against that kind of monster and the people forming part of it?
Phil Douglis01-Dec-2004 22:27
I find your interpretation of this photograph to be completely opposite of my own -- I originally saw the skyscraper as modern and progressive, and the old clock tower to be antiquated. You turn it around for me, Clara -- your imply that it is progress that we must fear. We must look to the past to find our roots. Both interpretations, I think, are justified by this image. Such is the power of expressive photography.
Guest 01-Dec-2004 17:28
the sky building is ghostly, menacing, other-worldly, besides that oldie clock tower. a great contrast.
Phil Douglis19-Nov-2004 04:13
Glad you learned so much from this image about how metaphor and symbol tells a story in pictures. Thanks for this comment, AMP{.
AMP19-Nov-2004 02:54
Is not only best explanation of Shanghai.Is also a best depiction in today China.I learn how to let photograph told a story.In addition to concrete pattern, also need the metaphor.This photograph also the metaphor write;The economy, politics, attempt and outlooks of China.
Phil Douglis01-Nov-2004 17:30
The sky is the limit! That might be a good caption for this image, as well as for the city of Shanghai itself, and even China, too. Incongruity and contrast -- two principles of expression that are all around us. It's our challenge to find them, and make them work photographically.
Jim Chiesa01-Nov-2004 10:26
Wow ! A stunning contrast between the past and present. One day this small clock tower was surely a monument in itself by its size. Today it looks so frail compared to what man is able to produce. "The sky's the limit". Great shot, Phil, I like the sense of scale.
Phil Douglis30-Oct-2004 22:43
Contrast means to compare one thing to another. This image compares a small older building to a much larger new building, and symbolizes the spectacular growth of Shanghai in the process.
nut 30-Oct-2004 08:42
What's the meaning of contrast? And what's the meaning of nice contrast on this photo inside
your feel?
Phil Douglis29-Oct-2004 21:51
And that is the point, Nut. The small and the large, the old and the new, the Shanghai of yesterday and today. And today's Shanghai just keeps on growing and it seems like it will never stop, either.
nut 29-Oct-2004 18:03

Nice comparison :)
YNW21-Oct-2004 19:54
Woooo, a great contrast!!!!
Phil Douglis08-Sep-2004 20:40
Thanks, Jen, for leaving this insightful comment. You are right -- this image is all about both scale incongruity (the skyscraper is much larger in size than the old Library tower) and subject incongruity -- the new skyscraper is abstracted by the frame, which implies that Shanghai's growth is unlimited. It is a city bursting with energy as well, and that is also what I wanted that skyscraper breaking through the frame to imply. I took many different pictures of these two buildings. In some the library tower was in front of the skyscraper. In this one, I placed them side by side. In some of my shots I showed the entire skyscraper within the frame, but they did not work as well as the half/skyscraper idea.

I was delighted to learn that you had made a picture in Shanghai that uses a similar comparison, and have left a comment on your image. I did not have the opportunity to work with color as part of the message in this photo, but you certainly worked with it beautifully in yours, Jen. Your picture works in a more subtle way than mine, and it places greater emphasis on old Shanghai, while mine stresses the new city.
Jennifer Zhou31-Aug-2004 09:14
I had a similar idea here:http://www.pbase.com/image/26818804 .What I emphased was more on the traditional side of Shanghai; however, I didn't realize to develop my original idea which is old & new comparison to something more strong and more meaningful. The picture here did add more to it. The most inspiring piont is chopping the building in half to indicate there is no limitation for this fast growing city. Thank you my teacher for letting me know how to improve my picture. And I guess this picture here can also be a good example of incongruities--subject incongruities as well as scale incongruities right?
Phil Douglis16-Jul-2004 17:43
I never noticed the face on the skyscraper until you pointed it out, Tim. You so eloquently demonstrate the potential communicative depth of photographs -- each viewer brings his or own context to bear on an image, and meaning can thereby change from person to person. I've always considered depth of meaning this to be a strength, and not a weakness, in the photographic communication process.
Tim May16-Jul-2004 17:05
There is also for me an abstracted face in the skyscraper with the inverted triangle forming the nose - that speaks of the technological present and future glaring down on the "cute and antiquated" past.
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