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13-JUN-2004

Making Zongzi, Zhujiajiao, China, 2004

Zhujiajiao, a river town 25 miles west of Shanghai, dates back to the Ming Dynasty, and still retains much of its original atmosphere. I saw this cook sitting in front of a shop along its main street, painstakingly preparing Zongzi, a dish that will be stuffed with grains of rice. She so absorbed in her task that she never seemed to notice me making her picture. Normally I make sure that the eyes of my subjects are visible, because the eyes, along with the hands, are often the most expressive parts of a portrait. But in this case, the downcast eyes worked. She seems to be using her teeth and two hands to tie the food up in a little package. The image is all about concentration, detail, dexterity and determination, and we don’t need to actually see her eyes to know this. The coordination between head and hands is intense and extremely skillful – this woman has been doing this for a long, long time, seems very good at what she does, and that is the point of this portrait.

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Phil Douglis24-Aug-2006 17:15
Thanks for supporting my view on this image, Emi. Jen has learned much from this image, I think, and that was the point of making it and posting it here in my cyberbook. In this image, as in the W. Eugene Smith's 1950 image "The Spinner" (see link in my response to Jen), the essence of the message is concentration, a human value. Closed eyes suggest intense concentration. It is also kind of a metaphor for "I am so used to doing that, I can do it with my eyes closed." Thanks for giving us a first hand Chinese context for this picture, Emi.
Phil Douglis24-Aug-2006 17:13
Thanks for supporting my view on this image, Emi. Jen has learned much from this image, I think, and that was the point of making it and posting it here in my cyberbook. In this image, as in the W. Eugene Smith's 1950 image "The Spinner" (see link in my response to Jen), the essence of the message is concentration, a human value. Closed eyes suggest intense concentration. It is also kind of a metaphor for "I am so used to doing that, I can do it with my eyes closed." Thanks for giving us a first hand Chinese context for this picture, Emi.
Guest 24-Aug-2006 10:52
One forgot to mention, the eyebrows count as well.
Guest 24-Aug-2006 10:51
Once again, I am surprised by how different point of view that Jen and I have. I think we should be very careful in making closed eyes portraits, but as you said if we make it good, closed eyes are just can be expressive as opened ones. This image is a great use of closed eyes to show the concentration of the woman in making dumplings. And one more thing is , the closed eyes somehow show the skill of the woman. My mom makes good dumplings too. It seems like complicated to us, but its definately to her, and this woman as well. I am surprised that as a Chinese, seems like Jen doesnt have the expenerience in watching people doing so.

This picture is a portrait contains of cultural element as well.

If we only include the hands, it can be anyone making this, then it would make the picture or the woman a worker, not a person. And if we cut the eyes and just left the hands and the teeth, then the picture seems like imcomplete in forms even.

So, I agree with your choice here Phil.

Emi
Phil Douglis13-Apr-2005 03:19
Thanks, Weiwei, for telling us exactly what she is making. I knew she was making little bundles of rice, but now we even know the name of the delicacy: Zongzi. I am changing the title from "Cook" to "Making Zongzi," thanks to you!
Weiwei 13-Apr-2005 01:20
I like this one. She is making Zongzi (glutinous rice dumpling). The rice must be bundled very tightly to be tasty. :)
Phil Douglis30-Nov-2004 19:57
You are never wrong, Jen -- only curious. The question of right or wrong does not apply in expressive photography. You can only make such judgments in light of your objectives. I am glad you agree that in light of my own objectives, the closed eyes make good sense.
Jennifer Zhou30-Nov-2004 14:50
Phil, maybe I am not so use to see closed eyes in the picture, but I can see there is the reasons for them to be in the picture in order the tell part of the story.

You know when I asked this question I know I would be wrong but I just want to hear it from Phil and now I did and I am very satisfied. Thank you Phil!

Jen
Phil Douglis30-Nov-2004 04:42
Good question, Jen. I see you've been looking at Gene Smith's famous 1950 image "The Spinner,"
(http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/smith/smith_the_spinner_full.html )
I am honored by the comparison. However I disagree with your interpretation of this image, Jen. You say that the downcast eyes "create a confusion in her expressive face." Actually those eyes are anything but confused. They convey the intensity of her work just as Smith's Spinner conveys the intensity of her work with her own closed eyes.

The eyes and hands are always the most expressive features in a portrait. A closed eye can say just as much as an open one. Look at the furrows in her forehead, Jen. They tell us why those eyes are closed. She is concentrating. She has been doing this work so long that she no longer has to actually see the work at hand. Neither does Smith's Spinner. Both women know exactly what they are doing. As I said in my explanation, my goal is to express concentration, dexterity, and determination. If I took your advice here and left the eyes out of the image, it would lose all of its identity and personality. It would be abstraction for the sake of abstraction, form for the sake of form. A disaster!

I hope my answer your question will prove useful to you, Jen, in your own remarkable people pictures!
Jennifer Zhou23-Nov-2004 14:17
Phil, this picture reminds me of w.eugene smith's one picture in his "Spanish Village" Series. Both women in you and Smith's picture are so concentrated on their tasks and I feel there is a beauty in the way they work. I am like listening to a music...

I agree with you the eyes and hands are most important parts in a portrait. Here you decided to abstract the eyes and make people focusing on only the hands and teeth. And the downcast eyes showing us she is really into what she is doing.

However, I still have trouble looking at her downcast eyes. Those eyes are just like closed and create a confusion in her expressive face. If your intention is to let us focus on the hands and teeth, why don't you abstract even more, for example don't include the eyes in the picture? You think that would make an incomplete portrait?

Jen
Phil Douglis16-Jul-2004 19:19
We agree on this. This portrait is all about hands and teeth and nourishment and life.
Tim May16-Jul-2004 18:47
In order to create sometimes you have to create a mess. This is, for me, a portrait of hands. These hands create (and teeth) create nourishment. We are alive because of the work of people like this.
monique jansen14-Jul-2004 13:11
I like portraits like this - this woman never noticed you and is busy with her everyday job.
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