thanks. it's my grandson down at providence collage in providence, r.i. i snapped the shot w the idea of desat i also wanted a gritty image. bill's graduating in 5 weeks. providence is very interesting w lots of old buildings a reminder of when it was a blue collar city. now's it's quite cultural. brown university and rhode island school of design are all near P.C. these old institutions have helped to upgrade a city that was once a place w a bad reputation. shu