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Dundee Stu

Wha's lik' us?

24 October 2004

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I'm having real trouble getting caught up in the hysteria that seems to have affected the Edinburgh chattering classes this past week. Somehow, and I'm not quite sure how, our collective national identity has been seriously undermined by the sub-standard works of a lazy Oxbridge history don. Apparently, this so-called serious academic, whose name is David Starkey, has insulted all Scots by claiming that Scotland was a small and unimportant country prior to the Treaty of Union with England and Wales in 1707. Controversial opinion or what! Nope, I'm really sorry, but I am unable to contradict Starkey's logic here. In fact, I might even go so far as to agree with him on this point. Scotland was (and still is) a small country, and, in early-modern European terms, it was a largely unimportant country. There is no argument there. Where I do object to Starkey, however, is in his implication that England was the making of Scotland. That I wholly reject. I much prefer to say that during the 18th and 19th centuries, Scotland, England and Wales were the making of Britain. That was when the country industrialised and the Empire expanded to become one on which "the sun never set". Nevertheless, I am not going to get upset at the outdated witterings of an unimportant pseudo-academic, and his views are certainly not a threat to my national identity. I think it is time that the Edinburgh chattering-classes did some growing up, and began to appreciate that our Scottishness is not defined by England or Englishness, just as it is not defined by France or Frenchness, Spain or Spanishness or Ireland or Irishness. Your dad might be bigger, richer and stronger than my dad, but my dad is My Dad. That ought to be enough.

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Guest 25-Jan-2006 02:17
It is true the English Gentry marched northwards into the green sheep laden lands of Scotland and imposed this alien thing upon us called "taxes". Then there was the Highland Clearances, then much later Margaret Thatcher and Poll Tax...

Scotland witholds the World record for producing per square mile, the greatest number of inventors and inventions that have a daily impact on 90% of this planet.
Television, Penicillin, Radar, Pneumatic Tyre, Steam Engine that (industrialised England), first to distill that black stuff called oil into paraffin and later petrol, built the BBC to what it is today, invented the hypodermic needle, the ultrasound scanner, discovered the source of Malaria (Mosquitoes), first kidney transplant was by a Scottish surgeon, road surface ashphalt, the founder of Forbes Magazine, founded the Sierra Club.... founded Canada... I could go on and on... don't get me started.

The ONLY reason England is where it is today is through the good fortune of being attached to a nation that changed the World - Scotland. That and a population head count 10 times greater than we Scots could ever muster. The Scots outbrained the English, but the English outnumbered us by 10 to 1.
It's a philosophy of survival that is even used by Sheep. It's called safety in numbers.
Not only am I first generation Scottish, but I am also a Galloway.
Thank you Stewart, your waxing eloquence... just struck a chord!
Pedro Libório25-Oct-2004 20:18
interesting words Stewart and nice photo!!!
Dave (doon the road) 25-Oct-2004 10:58
http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=wrx&q=David+Starkey&kgs=1&kls=0
Starkey has a new book TV series out soon - they Inglish will do onythin fur publicity.
Robin Reid25-Oct-2004 00:41
I don't know this jerk... but I do know that my ancestral couuntry has alwasys been important. Thanks for telling us about it.
Karen Leaf25-Oct-2004 00:12
Always very interesting Stewart, your well defined thoughts and opinions on your national discussions. I find them fascinating.
Guest 24-Oct-2004 23:58
OMG No ! Plz don't get me started on Starkey..he is forever twittering on about how the expression of power through oppression is a good thing. THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS OPINION! The chattering classes down here love him. Pah ! Great shot btw and wonderful background narrative *calming down, mopping his row*
Elaine (etfitz)24-Oct-2004 23:46
Wonderful image!
Guest 24-Oct-2004 23:36
Steady on Stewart, The Macintosh, Tarmac, Rubber.....Copper wire?

love the Image though,
Ray :)24-Oct-2004 23:34
Being 100% English, I do actually appreciate the importance of Scotland and its people in the development of Britain. They seem to have invented most things and made quite a few more. Does it really matter on what sod of turf people were born on?
All I can say is that you are fortunate that you don't have Boris johnston as your MP as well...
Are Karlsen24-Oct-2004 23:18
A beautifully illustrated opinion! Thanks for introduction to an interesting debate.
Guest 24-Oct-2004 22:58
Ooooh! This has all flowed past me - but us Scots often do overstate our impact in the world. But saying that I feel this guys last series certainly ignored the Scots in the history of the UK, he didn't downplay - just ignored!

I'm sure it could be argued that Scotland was the making of the British Empire...
Guest 24-Oct-2004 22:55
Point taken, well appreciated. Thanks for sharing