They lived just outside of the city walls. This is 1999 or so. Last time I was there, 2003, other families were still living there, in tents. Very nice people they are, these gypsy's. In 2003 I met many of them in Edirne, they lived almost on garbage, which seemed to be treir trade. In 2004 I met some in Bursa, they warned me that their neighourhood might be dangerous. Then I mentioned their relatives, it seemed, in Iznik, Edirne, and they smiled. Yes, they were many, but not very well trusted. They live a life seperate from the general Turkish way of life. I would like to know more about them. Well, I'll keep running into them, I suppose. When they are helping with the harvest, near Izmir, or Adana, or ...