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Posted by regfman (My Page) on Tue, Apr 15, 03 at 23:14

What are the issues involved with elongated vs. round toilets?


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I think that American bottoms prefer the elongated. The round ones may work in a very restricted bathroom where you might have trouble with spaces. Like a powder room where the door might hit the toilet if it came out too far. I would guess that usually applies to older construction when a round shape was more the standard. I do think the elongated one is more the standard today.

;-)


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How to say this politely. . . it is my understanding that it is *much* easier and more hygenic for men to sit down on the elongated toilets than on the round ones. You may also want to consider whether you like the height of the handicap toilets as well.


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My 12 year old son would agree with Kellis99. I inadvertently purchased a nonreturnable expensive round toilet for my downstairs powder room, which replaced an elongated one. He refuses to even use the bathroom (which is going some because it is the only one on my first floor, and closest to the TV that he is glued to normally), citing the sitting down problem. When I purchased another new toilet for my basement bathroom, he went so far as to sit on it before it was installed to see if it was OK. I am actually considering replacing the brand new round one. Given my experience, I would highly recommend the elongated ones.


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The only advantage of round ones is that they take up less space which could prevent doors from opening or jut out into the room too much. However, you can now get elongated-bowl toilets that have a thinner tank section so the overall length front to back is the same as a round toilet, and they don't protrude any further into the room. And yes, guys will much prefer the elongated bowls.


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Lee, the round bowl has more than one advantage: it also takes up less space in my wallet! I would love to know why the elongated Toto toilet I bought last year cost so much more than the round bowl version. I can't imagine there is that much more porcelain used in the manufacture!

I'm just rabble-rousing, I must admit the thing earns its keep!
Judith


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Ok, I can't stand it ~ why exactly is an elongated bowl easier for males to sit on? Does the shorter round bowl, um...err...get in the way of "things"?


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Ok, Weed, you're going to make me spell it out to you, huh? Well, when men need to go #2, they need to make room for all their "equipment", otherwise it touches the inside front of the toilet bowl. Now, isn't that a pretty picture? ;-)


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Thanks Kellis99


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I asked this very same question on the Terry Love plumbing forum last year and Terry wrote:

"Performance is the same. I don't promote round bowls, I think they are a poor idea. The only reason they are installed as standard fare, is that they are cheaper. If cost was no object, they would be rare. I sell nine elongated for every round. Commercial applications require elongated. Why wouldn't homes have elongated too?"

As to why exactly elongated bowls are better Terry replied "It has to do with comfort."

I had prepared a series of colored diagrams to illustrate exactly why this is so but it's best to simply use your imagination. ;)

Bob


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Weed, I am surprised at your lack of imagination! $^)


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this thread really has me giggling....thanks!!!


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Weed's lack of imagination is no more than mine. I guess only those so equipped will experience the shock of cold/wet porcelein. (I suppose that is how the old, hoary joke started of how cold the water is, ...and deep, too..)

If only I could do Weed's blushing faces too...

Thanks for your "discreet" explanation, Kellis99!


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Weed, I'm glad you asked so I didn't have to. I was mystified!

I prefer the look of a round bowl, and luckily only women live in my house so we can please ourselves... the toilet area stays much cleaner and the seat is never left up, to boot. ;D


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Ninotchka,
Toto makes a toilet seat with an easy close system. Although I live alone, my brother and his friends visit me often. They love watching this toilet seat so the toilet seat is always down. Little children it took. The seat comes down slowly when you flip it down:)


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I always put the seat down. And the lid. Mostly because we have a cat who (somehow!) likes to drink from the toilet, even though he has one of those kitty fountains. So, I guess I'm well-trained for a guy! And, being on-topic, we have the slow-close Toto lids on both toilets too. $^)


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We have a Toto "Ultimate" model with one of those slow close seat covers. And yes, we got the elongated bowl version. :)

Which brings me to some general toilet selection advice. Don't assume that a toilet is a toilet and that they all work about the same. They don't. Some are much more prone to clog than others. We learned this lesson the hard way.

Our Toto replaced a lousy Mansfield No. 160 toilet that flooded our house and put us in a hotel for three months. After the flood, I discovered that this particular Mansfield model was a favorite of homeowners and contractors alike because it was inexpensive.

I also discovered that this model is prone to clogging. Combine that with a failed refill mechanism and you've got a wonderful flood making device.

So do a little research before selecting your toilet. I ended up with a Toto because of all the positive comments in the various forums and based on the recommendations made by Terry Love at his web site (See link if interested.) I'm sure that there are many other brands and models that are also excellent.

Our Toto has been incredible and it's only clogged once in the last year. Our old Mansfield clogged all the time. So much so that we used to keep a plunger next to it. Ugh.

And, although I'm a big fan of Consumer Reports, I would treat their toilet rankings with a little bit of caution. I think that their test flushing materials are not necessarily "realistic".

Bob

Here is a link that might be useful: Terry Love Toilet Recommendations


 o RE: toilets - elongated vs round?

An elongated bowl is more comfortable for both sexes. With an elongated seat, there is more surface area; therefore, the pressure per square inch is less on your caboose. Less fatigue, more blood supply to your legs, no more tingles when you sit there a long time. Just my two cents.


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Alvey,
How long do you sit there?:)


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Hopefully not long enough to read War and Peace!


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Elongated it is. Thanks for the input. The plumbing supply dealer that I got prices from says the elongated Toto Ultramax is only about $16 more expensive.


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I'll have to keep that in mind when we get a new toilet (I think it's round) - "he'll" be so impressed that I thought of that, I don't think he's ever had the elongated version!


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This has just cracked me up! My DH also insists on elongated toilets.


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Hmmm... all these men insisting on elongated... is it an actual "need" or just wishful thinking?....


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Weed--
How DO you do those faces???? Too funny...
Pamela


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"all these men insisting on elongated... is it an actual "need" or just wishful thinking?...."

I'm not sure but I showed those colored diagrams to my wife and she said it was clear that I messed up the dimensions. ;)

Bob


 o RE: toilets - elongated vs round?

Wishful thinking? Hardly. I'll try my best to clearly describe all the reasons we men find round bowls annoying whilst remaining tasteful, but let's just say if your average male needs to sit down on a round bowl (or yes, even your less-than-average male), he must either (a) sit down too far to the rear to be comfortable, thus allowing sufficient clearance in front, and then slide forward to a comfortable position on the seat, or (b) sit down normally, which will usually leave part of his anatomy resting atop the toilet seat until manual intervention pushes it below. And once seated in the proper position, care must be taken to avoid rubbing against the front of the toilet bowl rim. Unfortunately, previous users particularly in public restrooms aren't always as careful, so the inner front rim of the bowl is often soiled, which makes it even more important to be careful if your stuck having to use one. The worst are round-bowl toilets with those commercial-style U-shaped toilet seats that have a cutout in the front. These are so creepy I usually opt to cover them with a carefully-positioned piece of toilet paper. The inner flap on those disposable paper seat covers works great for this purpose, but the restrooms that most need seat covers rarely have them.

Hopefully that's a vivid enough description for everyone to understand why round-front commodes are evil. But for Weed30 and others who have trouble grasping the concept, perhaps a picture would explain better than words... ;-)

Here is a link that might be useful: Photo of me trying to sit on round-bowl toilet


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Oh. no- I am not clicking on that link. . .


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Hehehe - very funny Lee!


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Weed, you have me laughing so hard. How do you do those faces???? A great way to end a long day. Thanks. PS everyone in our household prefers the elongated bowl.


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pamela1 and siena64 - I found a bunch of smilies on the web, uploaded them to my photohost, and I can link them from there. If you have a photohost that allows direct linking, email me and I will give you instructions on how to do it. Usually only photohosts that you pay for allow direct linking. Note: You should only direct link very small pic files here. Large pic files will greatly slow loading for dialup users.


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weed30, You mean you couldn't figure out why guys don't like overly small round toilet seats, but you could figure out how to make smiley faces turn around and moon me?

Curiouser and curiouser...

And jasper_austin, don't worry, that link is harmless. Try clicking on it. Whuddyamean the link isn't working on your computer?

(I hope nobody really thought I would post a picture of myself sitting on a toilet. Even *I'm* not that creepy...)


 o RE: toilets - elongated vs round?

After reading this thread, I realized I have some slightly elongated
toilets and one round one in the powder room....  
Since we are on this delicate subject, I will come forward and admit I have a urinal in my powder room, my designer had suggested it and I thought it would save some cleaning of the regular bowl. The toilet is right of the picture, you can't see it; because of space limitation, the toilet had to be a wall mount and a bit lower than usual so providing the urinal seemed like a good idea. My walls were beige before so the urinal blended in, but recently I painted the walls red and it sticks out..... oh well.....
btw, the white square above it is the flush....

Here is a link that might be useful: home urinal


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Mitchdesj,
Isn't the urinal a little high for use? I hae not seen a urinal in a residental property yet!


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It might seem high because of the angle of the photo, I have to lean sideways to the doorjamb to snap a pic, I'll doublecheck with DH, I let my designer and DH determine the height and there were guidelines to follow. I just looked at it and when the lid is open( the lid is thick) , it's much lower than the sink and from my female perspective would be about right for aiming and I am short..........


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Actually, I was in Home Depot the other day with my boyfriend, who is also a Master Plumber. I made some comment like,"Why would anyone get a long bowl, the toilet seats are so much more expensive?" He looked at me like I was from another planet and then quietly explained to me that men like them better because it gives them a larger target to aim at and women like them better because they are easier to clean because there are fewer mistakes. Gosh, you learn something new every day!


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Even though Terry Love claims that there is no performance difference between round and elongated models, there is an article in FineHomebuilding.com that contests the issue. Check there section on plumbing. I think all of you will find interesting articles regarding plumbing and remodeling.

The article on toilets claims that round toilets have a better vortex action than elongated models, and hence have better performance. I really don't know, I've never owned a round toilet of the 1.6 gal variety. I do know that I've had to learn to use a plunger since I replaced the 50 year old toilet that never failed. Now I'm in the process of remodeling the upstairs bath and will have to replace an older American Standard Cadet that has only plugged up once in the last 25 years.

I'm personally more interested in the number of times I have to use a plunger than the "comfort" or "aim-ability" of the toilet.


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rybers,
Totos are pretty much plunger free. I have had my Toto Carlyle with the GMAX technology for over 7 months in 2 high traffice bathrooms and I have not used a plunger once. They flush on one try consistently.
Good luck!


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Homepro01

Thanks for the tip. The low water toilet that I currently have is a Kohler Wellworth. It doesn't do too badly, but I probably have to plunge about once a month and I'm the only person using that bath. However, I will say that it does much better than the original Wellworth that I had installed during the remodel. I finally got so mad that I called Kohler and shouted at the poor lady who answered the phone. But, they did give me a new Wellworth, which has a larger "throat" and works a lot better.

I will look into the Toto. Thanks again for the tip.


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Bump. This thread has too much valuable information (for those who were afraid to ask) to get lost so soon!


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Yeah, and it was too funny to die, as well!


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Oh my... I just remodeled all three bathrooms and put in round-bowl American Standard toilets because I never found the elongated ones comfortable. For the powder room, the round bowl is a necessity because of space, but for the other two bathrooms I could have used either round or elongated. Never considered the fact that my 19-year-old son might find the round bowl model "less than optimal". Ooooops. He's coming home from college for the summer next week, so hasn't had a chance to be here much since we moved in. I have a feeling I'll start getting complaints soon.....

The models I have are all the "Repertoire" which incorporates the "Antiquity" bowl. They were less than $300 for both pieces (tank and bowl), so I wonder how much it would be to replace the bowls only...

By the way, I do notice that the flushing action seems to have more "oomph" in the round bowls than in the elongateds that I had.


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Mitch, the urinal is a wonderful idea and I love the red. For those looking to buy a toilet, you might want to consider the "comfort" height as well as the elongated shape. It really does make a difference on the knees and legs when in the motions of sitting or getting up.


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This thread prompted me to pull out our plumbing specs to see what we've ordered. Four round front toilets. Oh-Oh. I called dh for his opinion. He said he doesn't care, whatever is the least expensive. I explained to him the reasons for wanting an elongated bowl posted here and he laughed and said, "it's never been a problem for me." I think all we've ever had was round fronts so maybe he doesn't know what he's missing? I said that I thought we might want to put an elongated bowl in the powder room for guests and he replied, "Do you really want to encourage guests to do *that* at our house?" He has a point. Perhaps I should put one in the 3/4 laundry bath as it could be used by guests that come over to barbecue or swim as it has a door to the backyard. Money as well as space is tight.

Our specs call for Kohler Serif in Master, Kids and Powder, Wellworth in the laundry bath. Any opinions on these toilets? Sheesh. Building a house had made me consider things I never dreamed I'd be thinking about!


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What, you mean you don't always sit around thinking about toilet bowl shapes?

I've used a Wellworth, not the new version but the one they made a few years ago. It works reasonably well for a $99 commode although the "water spot" (area in bowl normally submerged in water) is a bit small. I understand the design has been improved since then. On this one, there is an adjustable float in the tank that will determine when the flapper falls, and thus how much water is used for a flush. It's set at the factory for a 1.6 gallon flush, but we altered it to be closer to 2 gallons for a more powerful flush.


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How have I missed this thread?!?!?!

I guess I have been asleep at the wheel. This is information that I have never heard. Uh oh and we have all round bowls. My poor husband! Maybe I will get him an elongated bowl for Father's Day!

Doris ;-)


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Doris,
LOL!


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I thought the elongated ones caught more of those little leftover drips from men's #1...thus avoiding those embarrassing little yellow spots on the bowl!
I have to laugh here, I remember an episode of Ren and Stimpy (the cat and the chiuaua ((sp?) cartoon), where Ren (the chiuaua) is sitting on the bowl, gets up, and sure enough, little yellow leftover spots right on the bowl in the cartoon! That cartoonist thought of everything!!!


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LOL - I love Ren and Stimpy. I actually have a stuffed Ren!


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Bump, again, for those newcomers who missed this valuable information (and for those who just need a good laugh!)


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Anyone have an opinion about how good this urinal would look in a home? Its patented shape is designed to reduce "splashback"... Or would Mitchdesj's home urinal work better?

Here is a link that might be useful: Hygenix Urinal


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Lee, the design is quite unique but so OPEN, if you know what I mean. The home urinals I looked at all had a lid for discretion, so that it's less of a public area looking urinal. I've had no splashing, believe me I checked after large gatherings and parties...
But then again, I am the type to always put down the toilet lid in all the bathrooms.... Even when clean, don't want to stare at that hole....


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That brings up an interesting question. About four years ago I was in a private home in Bombay, India and asked to use "the ladies room." The architect smiled and said "Certainly," and mentioned that it had a female urinal. It looked like a drinking fountain mounted in the middle of the wall with a small trough protruding from the wall ( I mean, SMALL) and I just couldn't understand the logistics. I looked behind the door to see if I had missed the real thing, but this was the only thing in the room. You know, now that I am thinking about it, maybe I was meant to back into the thing. Going forward DIDN"T work.

Needless to say I never figured the thing out and gave up and to this day I am STILL wondering. Has anyone ever seen such a thing?


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Simba Sue - LOL! I think you were probably supposed to back into it. When I was little, I remember these funny looking toilets at the department stores. In certain stalls, the toilet started out as a bowl, but in the front it was like you describe, a long narrow trough. I was always perplexed and never used those wierd looking things.

Years later, while uncomfortably "not sitting on the seat" in a public restroom, it dawned on me that those funny toilets were so you could stand comfortably to do your wet business. Actually I wish they still had them!

Lee, I like mitchdesj's urinal better. Not so "in your face".


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SimbaSue (and others) - I actually found a picture of the "funny toilet" from my youth, ta da! Made by American Standard from the 50's to the 70's.

Below is an article about female urinals, with some funny/interesting links. One link has a pic of the urinal you might have encountered...it's pretty, um, graphic. It is called "The Lady P". LOL

Here is a link that might be useful: Female Urinals


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How do you use the She-inal?
ROFL!


 o Pee Envy

Yick - that one was pretty gross. And didn't do too well in the market. The "Lady Loo" looks like it would actually work.....a modern take on the American Standard. Once you get your clothes out of the way it appears you could stand pretty comfortably instead of the dreaded "hover".

(hey, do you think regfman, the original poster, is tired of getting all these replies emailed to him?...hehe)


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Weed, I had forgotten about those toilets in public restrooms as a kid! This thing in Bombay was thigh high and had a SMALL cup sticking out of the wall about 4 inches and was set into the stone. It reminded me more of an ashtray than anything I thought I could use.

Have you all checked out the urinal discussion which was recently launched? I never knew those things had a sweet spot. I guess guys learn this kind of thing as a kid. But, then again, in 1976 I worked as a chambermaid in a Swiss hotel in Zermatt, and after that experience I would venture to guess that many men never got much instruction at all as kids.


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I stumbled upon one of those American Standard female urinals in a public restroom once when I was a teenager. I remember thinking it was rather oddly shaped when I saw it. Then, upon exiting the restroom, I noticed I had inadvertently used the ladies' room rather than the men's (it was empty at the time and thankfully remained so when I was in it). That explained why the urinal didn't look like the ones I was used to, but I remained perplexed about how they were intended to be used - namely, (a) forwards or backwards? and (b) stand over it or sit on it? Even now, I still can't quite figure it out. I also don't understand why it needed 8 gallons to flush.

I'm actually quite surprised, given today's concern with conserving water resources, that urinals in women's restrooms haven't caught on. As it is, designers of large buildings and arenas now allot more space for ladies' rooms than for mens' because the perceived need to sit down in a private stall increases the amount of time spent in the restroom, and reduces the total number of toilets/urinals that will fit in a given space.

My former girlfriend insisted that when other women aren't watching, women often stand up in front of the toilet just like men do (I'm told a strategically-placed finger will ensure accurate aim and eliminate wayward splashing, although she never demonstrated this technique to me in person), but that social customs precluded this in occupied public restrooms. I explained to her that similar social customs precluded men sitting down to do a #1. Well that, and the typically filthy toilet seats in mens' rooms...

That said, while I'm comfortable with either gender standing up to do their business, I'm glad these outdoor urinals that have taken hold in the Netherlands haven't crossed the Atlantic yet. Really, I don't care to do this sort of thing outdoors in the middle of a park...


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In a park?! eeeeeeewwwwww!!!!

Although the DOGS must think it's the biggest bestest fire hydrant they've ever seen!


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Has anyone found it a problem getting a soft seat for an elongated toilet. They mostly seem to be available in the round shape.


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That Hygenix urinal looks like an EAR


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Trying to find soft seat for elongated toilet. Anyone know who has these in their line? The soft seats I see are all for round toilets.


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Upperbarn, I'll post a new thread on your topic, since you aren't getting answeres here.


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Here's one of many that are available...

Here is a link that might be useful: elongated soft seat


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Weed, et. al,

This newfangled World Wide Web thing is amazing. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would be sitting here at work and stumble across others who had experienced the same kind of bizarre women's toilets I had encountered as a child but pushed way, way back into the repressed corners of my mind. Suddenly, *sproing*, here they are, being discussed by people all over the globe. And I'm chiming in! YES, I remember those toilets! NO, I never had a clue what I was supposed to do with them, but YES, I think I tried sitting on one once, quite unsuccessfully!! Not sure what happened, that memory is still repressed...

Beth in KC


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Anyone know how this brilliant thread can be copied into the new "bath" forum. I think it's a definite "keeper."


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