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richard Haden 11-Oct-2008 08:33
And for your record Michael of USA prescribed branding.
Oh Michael, where are you from that all children have evil hearts? That is a really negative thing to claim about children. It sounds and reeks of mountain hill billy psychology out of the movie "Deliverance". It is those sort of ridiculous beliefs that are root causes of so many neurotic ailments--of the alienating kind and hypocrisy that is so prevalent in the sectarian world. Mix that sort of screwed up thinking with hyper-consumerism and guess what you get. A self sustaining psychological industry set up to treat the symptoms of a failed religious consuming capitalistic society...that is like saying every parent needs to learn the use of the rod in a world to advanced for your screwed up world pessimism...punish the little people before they get a chance to grow up with the natural instinct of real social well being. I have the fear that you believe in Jeremiah's maniacal misanthropy so much that you may have damaged a child or two of your own. I hope not...by exposing them to such atavistic foolishness you handicap them in how they may treat their own progeny. Hopefully that child was just your self.
Sounds like Mathew is quite the sadist himself...like his crony Jeremiah. Those writers really knew how to scare rationality right out of people in their day, huh. Probably had to do with the fact that non roman citizenry of their day were looked upon as "Property"

richard Haden 11-Oct-2008 04:49
OK, here is an interesting text for your amusement. But first read the previous comment. I seem to be getting ahead of myself.
Bible verses Qu'ran. You can google Noah's Arc and read how the story of the Arc in the Qu'ran's description is even more colorful than the old testament...as wikipedia says most biblical scholars agree that the story of the Arc is not meant to be taken literal. OK, that said, how else do fundamentals in all three books of Abraham ancestry effect the way we see the world?

One obvious way to look at Religions relevancy is to see how it infects our ability to judge the advancement of science. As I am sure all of you are aware of the histories of enlightened times or of proto-Renaissance and the dark ages--Other dark and light periods of Christian History. Such as the tragedies suffered by the likes of Galileo and Copernicus or all those others who argued for a round world and a decenter-ed universe--as the earth was order the center of the Catholic universe...that the sun rotates around the earth....bla, bla, I know you have all heard these simple arguments before....but I bet you have not heard much about stem cell research and how Christian Ideas are different those in Islam. It is all about how Christians, Muslims, and Jewish people believe the sole enters the Embryo. I find that Islam seems to be a bit more advanced on the subject--even though Islamic fundamentals are just as based in fiction as the rest. But Islam seems better adaptable to the controversy of Stem cell research in simple ways...
...later on in the biological development because of the Qur’an’s use of the words “thereafter We produced him as another creature.”7 Additionally, many scholars indicate that ensoulment of the fetus does not occur until the end of the fourth month of pregnancy (120 days).8 However, tradition states: Each of you possesses his own formation within his mother’s womb, first as a drop of matter for forty days, then as a blood clot for forty days, then as a blob for forty days, and then the angel is sent to breathe life into him.9

Additionally, the Shari’ah makes a distinction between actual life and potential life, determining that actual life should be afforded more protection than potential life. 10 Thus, under most interpretations of Islamic law, the embryo is not considered a person.

Now that is some interesting thinking. It all goes to show and illustrate just how differentiated "Hermeneutics" can be from one book to the next. I guess in my case, though, the mere fact that there is a soul at all is a quagmire. Yet life is...property as is and was looked at in biblical and pre biblical times. Now that is another subject all together.
richard Haden 11-Oct-2008 03:03
Michael CA A Go USA, USA, You sound like one of the flock at a McCane rally... My heart is in pretty good shape, thanks for your concern though for I jog and what not...And the sun lit sky sheds light on my daily ritual--although I like working in the night for the darkness of south Florida is a lot cooler after sun set...it is unfortunate that you believe a god responsible for changing your life. When all along I was under the assumption that it was our virtuous life that kept it in line. And sorry I do not read the biblical kind of fiction to learn how to be a better Bleeping sheep. I have two Australian Shepard's that do that sort of thing to me on occasion.

As regards to pearls, I assume you mean, "pearls of wisdom". But I, like so many, I know, do not by jewelry. I do get tired of that Lipstick on a pig saying...I do prefer a metaphor like blood diamonds though. And you must know what that is all about--and the violence that that type of commerce generates. Whoops, sorry I digress. I like your reference to the dog though, for dog is god spelled backwards...now there is a bone to chew on.

I bet you are looking forward to "Religulous", the new movie Bill Maher is in. I wonder if he interviewed the Maker of the cedar ARK for the documentary. Apparently Maher is not trying to mock organized religion as he is hoping to encourage those who are unbelievers to be secure and not alone in their non-belief. The point is this: It is "not" that I and others do not believe in the possibility of some sort of higher power, it is that we do not live life through myth and legend as though our guide prescribes ambrosia. For no one truly knows what is up in the universe except that the life we live (Miraculous as it is) and mysterious as it is...is happening and it will most likely continue on in one form or another. The not knowing...the wonder and ambiguous ontology of it all--is where I find spirituality. Not in the big Profit of organized religion of false iconic commodity. So if I may re-describe my self, you might say that I am not an atheist either--Just a non believer. I like such non-fiction authors as Richard Dawkins "God Delusion", Sam Harris's "End of Faith" or Christopher Hitchens's "God is Not Great". All these books and others help those non believers "Come out of the Closet" as it were. Your hopes for me to refer to the old, new or other books who's authors are sophomoric at best is a hope you do need not pray for.
I enjoy the conversation...thanks.
"Men are mortal God, and gods immortal men; living is death to the former, and dying is their life” (Heraclitus 540-475 BC)
MichaelCA USA 11-Oct-2008 02:44
And for the record;

How many children need to be taught how to disobey?
How many children need to be taught what is right from what is wrong?

We all have an evil heart. Mathew Chapter 7:21 / (Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
Michael CA USA 11-Oct-2008 01:55
Richard,
Your heart is so hardened to Gods Truth that no one can reach you except for Him. I hope God sheds light on your life. I would offer you scripture to reflect on but unfortunately you would not consider it nor appreciate it. But that's OK. If you do want to read how God can change someone's life, read Acts chapters 8 and 9. It is a really good read. Imagine how this guy could have felt like a hypocrite? If you are so inclined keep going delving into his life and what he accomplishes. My best wishes to you, sir.

Gretta,
It is useless to debate with someone so closed to communication. Read Mat 7:6 regarding sharing the Word of God with people that are not willing to hear it. "Do not give to dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."
Expect Richard to use this out of context like so many other unbelievers to try an instill doubt in you mind. That is what I believe is meant by the last part of the scripture.

Do not hate them for it, rather pray for them and set them straight when they misuse God's Word. See Rev22:18 for a warning concerning the use of scripture (at the end of the bible).
Richard Haden 10-Oct-2008 23:56
Gretta,
I grew up with the same screwed up fundamentals of old and new testament in breeding myth as the rest of you. I was surrounded by Catholics and protestant / conservative and liberal. The bible belt ran through my home state and I had some exposure to the radical southern Baptist types...they showed up to buy supplies ever so often.

It does not make sense for you to practice arm chair psych analasys on some one who responds to a blog in a critical way. Do you think all those who think organized religeons are fraudulent are sick in the head? If so that is ultimately your short coming.
Gretta 10-Oct-2008 19:13
Has anyone noticed where Richard makes note of the family of christians he grew up in. Makes me wonder just what these christians were like. What was Richard seeing and hearing. I know a lot of people that have bitterness in their hearts because of twisted christian views and actions they grew up in. Lord only know what he was exposed to.
richard Haden 09-Oct-2008 22:51
Other words about an artistic spirit are at www artlurker dot com . Not angry at all just critical...
richard Haden 09-Oct-2008 22:44
Mental masturbation is a good way to avoid blindness.
Caleb Holt 09-Oct-2008 22:29
Richard Hayden is entirely crippled by anger. One is reminded of Gollum in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. One feels that somewhere, deep and sadly distant, there was once joy in his life. Alas, now the venom has worked its way to his dying heart. Consumed by his Precious, all that remains is a vulgar, pitiful creature spitting insult and hostility to anyone that might receive it. Such a dolorous ballad.
Guest 09-Oct-2008 22:09
Is anybody else here sick of Poor Richard's mental masturbation?
richard Haden 09-Oct-2008 06:27
To clarify; I am not a WASP. But I might be a WASAP (white anglo saxon atheistic prick) Was up Christian.
Richard Haden 09-Oct-2008 06:04
And Michael shows how clearly all the trouble begins, where the neurosis grows from it's roots...The whole idea that human nature is naturally evil explains how from a young age children are taught "NOT" to live but to fear. Mikes brainwashed mind is the perfect example of where allegory was replaced by moron(ish) barbarism. All one does with inbred evil is give the excuse to those without reason to commit crimes against society and Morality (it is not there fault for they know not what they do) You justify unethical and false morality by making it clear how to follow the rules or be punished. You do not excel in man's natural capacity to succeed in morality because you rule it out from the get go. It is morality that Christians hijack as if it were theirs to own. You foolish man--we humans are not born into sin we are taught how to live like predators (tabula rasa)Try reading you early classics...especially Aristotle's words on Morality and ethics. Also Kant is a good place to argue the defense that he describes morality as the will to be moral as apposed to Aristotle who explains that we practice at it. The early Greeks make followers of Jesus sound like a bunch of masochist.

Like the idiot who built his cedar Ark, his will is a territory of cold steel that rest on a foundation of subliminal sea...to prop up a false old testament myth is such a waste a good cedar. That such a god would drown millions of people is to say the least one screwed up God. Follow him where? To the next war?

It is so easy to see how the religious right leaning mindset is so ripe for powers that be to manipulate...easy to talk into following anything as long as it is branded by a white anglo saxon protestant (WASP) or...some other form of branded lunicy.
Michael CA USA 09-Oct-2008 05:25
In our naturally evil hearts, we humans have and always will try to justify our actions. That being so, "IF" it was false they would have nothing to fear. But since God's Word is Truth, many scared unbelievers (like children in the dark) try to justify or hide what they have done wrong when their parents (God) turn the lights on.

So it is normal for us humans to want Gods truth to be false so they don't get punished. But God said it, and so it shall be. And the false notion that Christians don't get punished is far from true! We have help ( Gods grace ), to help us deal with whatever God sees as fit. Then we need to learn from our punishment, just like when we were children! Amazing how God modeled our life after our relationship with His Son!

I hope and pray that God will intervene in many of your lives who are unbelievers.

This world is walking around in darkness and we need a lot more lights.
Michael CA USA 09-Oct-2008 05:23
In our naturally evil hearts, we humans have and always will try to justify our actions. That being so, "IF" it was false they would have nothing to fear. But since God's Word is Truth, many scared unbelievers (like children in the dark) try to justify or hide what they have done wrong when their parents (God) turn the lights on.

So it is normal for us humans to want Gods truth to be false so they don't get punished. But God said it, and so it shall be. And the false notion that Christians don't get punished is far from true! We have help ( Gods grace ), to help us deal with whatever God sees as fit. Then we need to learn from our punishment, just like when we were children! Amazing how God modeled our life after our relationship with His Son!

I hope and pray that God will intervene in many of your lives who are unbelievers.

This world is walking around in darkness and we need a lot more lights.
Richard Haden 09-Oct-2008 01:05
Hey Pete,
Pray? You are wanting to manifest mystical powers as well, huh. Well, who am I to discourage you from flattering me so. Perhaps you can tell me when you start--I want to feel the warm fuzz run through my body....Not a christian? Well that took me by surprise. ....transcendentalist of some sort?

Hey Greg,
'joy in my life'? So nice of you to ask. I suppose I may have a bit more than your usual citizen...Sure, I do get on the defensive some time. Like the other night when a young Python slithered up my driveway (a growing problem in south Florida, boa's and Pythons breeding as a result of idiots letting them go wild) I was very careful when I grabbed the snake to keep my dogs from tangling with it. What you may call defensive is something I would call offensive. People who build monuments to glorify ignorant deluding ideas need to be spoken to. Like the guy profiting off his Christian cedar side show attraction...or you might call my words an exercise in reflexivity.

Got friends to. As I generally am very gregarious in my habits. I try to encourage that in all my fellow artist. The consumer society of late capitalism has a tendency to alienate all those who labor in it's contemptible extremes. I'll be lecturing at a university here in the Miami area soon---but the content of my talk will be of the secular kind of Spirit. Of the fine art Kind. Perhaps in spirit of Theodore Adorno's "Truth Content", mixed with a bit of materialist Marx and a touch of other humanist cultural oddities that you may or may not be familiar with.

I am pretty sure I don't have any friends of the secular kind--Just acquaintances. Of course there is the family of Christians I grew up with. They probably pray for me to.
Pete 08-Oct-2008 17:53
Mr. Richard ,
Sorry , but your words are just a lot of hot air and I don't smoke a pipe. I'm sorry you're so unhappy. I'll be praying for you. Oh, by the way, I never said I was a christan.
Greg 08-Oct-2008 17:46
Richard,
Do you have any joy in your life? Or are you always on the defensive? I'll bet you don't have many true friends. Why would anyone want to spend time with a sour puss such as you!
Richard Haden 08-Oct-2008 04:27
Pete,

I hope you are taking your heart medication...you might want to stop smoking so much Sativa as well. Hurting hearts are dangerous symptoms to reveal in this current climate of unfair medical exploitation...with such practices that the AMA's lobbyist imply...Only those who can afford to be healthy deserve the privilege...AMA for those who can afford health.

Of course I am angry. I get that way when I read ignorant words, such as yours. If you want to stop witnessing for a moment and wake up and smell the roses...you might find that criticism is a healthy thing. It is not caused by moldy early life issues.

Angry? It is what the Christian right has done to this country that should make any politically aware person mad. Now we see a severely unqualified Pallin pandering to the likes of your kind. With a wink and nod she would like to see her Christian Pom Poms littering the white house lawn in place of shrubbery.

It is easy to imagine her secret service six pack attendants showing up for duty as Jimmy Carter's brother did with Billy Beer.

Now put that in your pipe and witness that delusion.

Pete 07-Oct-2008 20:12
Mr Richard Haden,
My heart hurts for you! I'ts very clear that you are angry and have been badly hurt by someone sometime in your life. Oh, before you tell me not to waste my time hurting for you, I'm not. I feel for souls that go through life angry.God does offer peace. I know from personal experience.
Richard Hadn 07-Oct-2008 06:22
Friedrich Nietzsche in similar spirit to Ludwig Andreas von Feuerbach describes how it is that man creates god in his image...that we manifest in myth all the attributes that we see as esteem value...it is the opposite with evil. Now you read this carefully. We created god and we killed god--now that is good enough for me and the deceased Nietzsche. "God is dead" in time you will get over it.

As for clinging to God I am sure you profit quite nicely selling your pulp fiction to the choir. It goes to prove how little one needs to know about this world in order to be granted a Doctorate degree. All I can hope for you and your false eschatology is that you hopefully infect as few children as possible with your idiotic and archaic words.

As I have written in other words to friends: "What else would one expect from those who believe themselves the descendants of Adam and Eve's inbreeding...certainly not creativity. All the fragments of mankind's knowledge are forever increasing to the point where myth is all the more readily excused as a thing of the past.

It is amazing to me that people actually read your crap instead of...for instance Aristotle, Plato, Kant, Spinoza, Deluze, Derrida, and on up the ladder to rational thought. Books like yours simply take all the wonder out of the universe and put a false handle on it.

Like that silly ARC behind your text...it will not float. Now go and cash your residual check and buy new books. Your are waisting your time keeping your Bovine followers stuck in time. Not helping anyone to evolve...
Dr. Siegbert Becker 06-Oct-2008 22:00
Richard Haden,
Try reading this carefully.
Faith humbles itself before God and clings to His Word as the source of wisdom and truth. Reason, on the other hand, in its corruption and pride, always makes the mistake of exalting its very limited experience and equating it with omniscience. The experience of man is always limited to isolated moments in the vast expanse of time and space. Even at their highest reaches the senses can acquire knowledge that is merely fragmentary. Self-evident as this is, men in practice tend to forget it.
I elaborate on Reason extensively in my book "Foolishness of God." If your mind can open, you may find it of interest.
Dr. Siegbert Becker 06-Oct-2008 22:00
Richard Haden,
Try reading this carefully.
Faith humbles itself before God and clings to His Word as the source of wisdom and truth. Reason, on the other hand, in its corruption and pride, always makes the mistake of exalting its very limited experience and equating it with omniscience. The experience of man is always limited to isolated moments in the vast expanse of time and space. Even at their highest reaches the senses can acquire knowledge that is merely fragmentary. Self-evident as this is, men in practice tend to forget it.
I elaborate on Reason extensively in my book "Foolishness of God." If your mind can open, you may find it of interest.
Dr. Siegbert Becker 06-Oct-2008 21:50
Richard Haden,
Try reading this carefully.
Faith humbles itself before God and clings to His Word as the source of wisdom and truth. Reason, on the other hand, in its corruption and pride, always makes the mistake of exalting its very limited experience and equating it with omniscience. The experience of man is always limited to isolated moments in the vast expanse of time and space. Even at their highest reaches the senses can acquire knowledge that is merely fragmentary. Self-evident as this is, men in practice tend to forget it.
I elaborate on Reason extensively in my book "Foolishness of God." If your mind can open, you may find it of interest.
Richard Haden 02-Oct-2008 08:17
Ken,

"For those of us who do not believe in God or Jesus Christ or the Bible How is that working for us?" Doing just fine pilgrim. Like the last comment: feels good to think for ones self. You ask that question as if there is something that I am missing. It is not like I chose to rid my frontal lobe of Christianity...it is that I never thought to add it. There are many old stories that teach the "benighted how to think", especially if you can't figure out how on your own.

Some where along the meandering evolutionary path, someone forgot what an allegory was. You seem to like those stories in the Bible but what you seem to not understand is that their origins are from a day of roaming "Peripatetics". Starting back in the day of early Greek myth making allegorical story tellers, sophist and philosophers roamed from camp to camp, village to village, tent to tent and so on to teach knowledge, values, ethics, morals and what have ya. Through rhetorical skills--by the invention of TROPE, things were taught to people, like you, who need one way tutorial instruction. These robe bearing fellows of noble class as well as those ignoble practitioners of "fideism", sold there verbal skills for food, women or the latest Birkenstock sandals...The oral tradition goes way back pilgrim. I guess it be around the time that humankind figured out how to make marks or write that the power to control larger populations transcended the skill of Raconteur. Oh yea, it had a lot to do with early icon painting s well. You see, the Church new how powerful images were to the feebly uneducated surf.

So go and keep reading your fiction and do not worry about those who are over your head--puerile, Puritan. Christianity was never meant to be taken literally. As in today's world it is so irrelevant...but, except to you, pilgrim...Richard: 101 book of common sense. Eschatology of the tautologically redundant delusional school-- what ever verse you choose.
Ken Davis Washington 02-Oct-2008 03:35
For those of you that do not beleive in God or Jesus Christ or the Bible How is that working for you? For your sake You had better be right as for me I beleive in what Jesus Christ did and the Bible see Rev 22:12-13
Guest 30-Sep-2008 11:59
I love the way you think Richard Haden. I was raised in a christian household then I grew up and acquired a mind of my own. The way I perceive Christianity is for those who need to give credit or blame to someone or something other than themselves. A perfect excuse to avoid responsibility for their own lives.

The planet has looked after itself for millions or perhaps billions of years, even those 6000 years some believe it existed. There are plenty of resources for mankind to exist for many more millions of years and to think there is lack of anything is to forever live in a limited existence without enjoying all that the planet and the Universe has to provide for our asking.
Richard Haden 29-Sep-2008 04:14
Holland does not have a timber industry. The Cedar he used for the ark probably came from Siberia. The majority of Holland is reclaimed land that is below sea level. Without the dikes it would be flooded. Perhaps he is building the Ark for fear that Global warming will cause the sea to rise and breach the dikes. Now I would think he not so stupid if that were the case. The Cedar that this prop is made out of probably came from Siberia.

As for the term doubters? It seems that christian creationist excel in that field. Like the creationist museum out side of Cincinnati, they doubt the world is older than 6000 years. They doubt science and world history as rational thinkers... I guess the idiot who reified this myth into Cedar would qualify for the same asylum as those in Cincinnati who claim dinosaurs and man lived on this earth at the same time.

Even Iraq has pieces in their museum older than 6000 years.
Guest 26-Sep-2008 22:34
Before all you doubters get your knickers in a knot - the boat was built to scale but is as noted on the site 1/2 the length and 1/3 the width of the dimensions noted in Genesis - it is not full scale - if it was built full scale it would be twice as big and there wouldn't be any trees left in Holland! Please! Calm down.
Richard Haden 23-Sep-2008 10:14
Mr Guest,

That's just it...that you people are still spreading the news about a "man"...the news is that a man, aka, Jesus (last name unknown) was so wrapped up in his own delusions that he had himself killed. The son of God? At best he was probably a revolutionary sort of fellow that meant well...he martyred himself for the sake of other poor folks class subjugation. For those who wanted in life what they saw so few have. The Roman aristocracy, like today's consolidating wealth, had all the assets and kept it that way off the blood and sweat of cheap labor. Jesus, if he actually existed at all was probably more akin to the Union organizer. But unfortunately his Modes operandi was foolish in tact, so, he ended up dead. A Jewish fellow died for better living conditions for his fellow Hebrews; for the right to become a citizen perhaps.

Like most all Martyrs, they fall short of the skills to actually conquer their enemy from with in.

No. The guy is not a ship Shipwright. And his boat load of cedar is not floating either; it is sitting on a barge. Floating? wrong. it is a stage set, sitting on a barge.

Building Casinos in Vegas is just as bad--as you say. Especially since they are tore down so often which only goes to show you how the greed of Casino splendor is just as bad for the earth's dwindling resources...as is an idiots attempt to float the myth of Noah's fiction.
I don't get pleasure from berating followers of organized human religious fiction. I just like to speak up in case any young or non recruited prospects are swaying toward cotton brained cerebral stagnation.

Of course there is no heaven, hell, god, holly ghost, jesus to save the day...it is how we make gods in our image that is interesting.
Here is a quote from Heraclitus (540-475BC): "Men are mortal God, and gods immortal men; living is death to the former, dying is their life"

it is the non believers duty to call Christians on their words, especially in the public domain. Like pornography, I would not want my children, or my neighbor's children reading Bible nonsense with out a chaperon. For with all that talk of Spears piercing flesh, thorns drawing blood, nail going into hands and feet and so on...it is as though Christians are masochist...and like whipping themselves...oh, you call that Flagellant. Even if you are not physically or literally performing this act, Christians are beating on themselves emotionally, cerebrally instead.
It would be a nicer world if all believers kept their messages to themselves or sect, by having those other look for you...

As for your query: If I had to describe what I thought happened after death, I'd be way over your head...Might even be beneath you Holy head...Top down hierarchies are for the birds...bottom up cooperation, possibly is the most "Jouissance" . Spinoza, monism, is a good read and the anthropomorphism of Ludwig Andreas Feuerbach is priceless. Then a lot of contemporary knowledge of (non)science-fiction, Archeology, anthropology, humanities, cultural theories....and so so so so on on on and on.
I'm Not interested in Cults either...what would be the point...I am againt organized religeon, period.

Hey Christian, I am no better than any one else...but I may be brighter than some.

So what is it, some do not like to use their real names...a frightened sole, huh--Guest
Guest 22-Sep-2008 18:56
First of all I am guessing Richard is here to see the wood craft, and it is fabulous. It took 3 years to create. I think that is incredible in itself. As for the comment that it wasn't out of love. This man created this, to show people God's Love for them. That was his purpose. His calling. He wanted to reintroduce the story of Noah's ark, and try to show people the massive size of the ark, even though this replica is only 1/2 the length and 1/3 the width of the original, as specified in the Bible. But why keep going on for arguments sake? Can't you just let us enjoy this and judge it for ourselves? I think it's sad when people try to stomp out Christians' joy. All we want to do is spread the news that WE believe Jesus died for our sins, and was subjected to a horrendous torture. He didn't commit suicide. He willingly was taken to die for others. Suicide is taking your life for yourself, because you don't want to live, and don't want to deal with your pain anymore. Jesus made it very clear to his disciples what he was doing, and why. If anything this characterizes martyrdom, not suicide. Someone saw him as a threat or they wouldn't have arrested him. Jesus didn't ask for them to hang him on a cross and hammer spikes as big as our wrists through his foot, and his wrists. He didn't ask for them to pierce his side with a spear, or impale his head with a crown of thorns. That's how I see it anyway.
So the guy isn't a shipwright. Who cares? It is on water, so I guess it must float, right? It says in the introduction that it's meant for demonstration for people. Why does it have to be a full working replica? Can't we just appreciate it for the art that it is? Why is it criticized? I think it's incredible! If you want to criticize something, go criticize the people building the casinos in Las Vegas for the pure greed of the people who own them, who know the odds of people winning at their games, and get richer and richer and richer, off of other people's addictions and need for entertainment.
What I want to know is why do you think it's fun to berate people who care for others? You don't seem to care for anyone but yourself as your words are so callous and rude to someone who is only wishing you the best! Wow. Where do you think you're going to go when you die? Do you think there is an afterlife? Do you care? Just curious. I know I'm going to heaven when Jesus comes again, and every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
I admire Pat for doing what he believed he needed to do. He passed along the message, that was simple. He didn't ask for anything from you. He didn't even ask for you to accept it. No need to respond to me. I'm just here to look at the pictures. I'm not going to come back and see if you graced the rest of the people reading these posts with some stuck up response about how what you believe is better than anyone else. if you moan and groan that " we " neeed a society and language that is free from any kind of hierarchy of any sort, have you thought about starting your own cult? Oh but then you would be the hierarchy/founder. We wouldn't want that. Would we? Mean nasty man....go take a nap.
Richard Haden 20-Sep-2008 20:30
All your predictable words are so mindful of the scars left / right, in to the deepest most grey matter areas of our psyche-- magic pad. Fortunately I was young enough to see through the Mental retardation that is so epidemic in our country. I, like, so many other citizens of reality, are in control of our situation, to the extent that we seek not advice from 12 followers of a man who committed suicide; To say the least, we, who are not born in sin, "Tabula Rasa", are free from the get go to screw up and prosper...in need of salvation? From what? A book that you say has magical words?

Christian, you should keep your words to your self for all what comes out of your Key Board is nothing but the redundancy of false word salad; with a dash of Cesar's roman dressing as scorn.

We are all in need of society and language that does not differentiate a who's who or who is higher on the latter of redemption. Look around the world and what do you see--people dying for being associated with fairy tales of faith based parties...for you and your kind are always used by the ruling classes to fight their wars of greed--by adding a religious facade to your shield's calling you are so easily manipulated to fight wars in Gods name. Wake up christian soldier and see what your teachings are all about...supplying a locust of workers for those who scoff and laugh at your limited mental faculties.
Pat20-Sep-2008 18:08
Mr. Haden! The apostle Paul in Romans 15:13 says , Now the God of all hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing , that ye may abound in hope , through the power of the Holy Ghost. This is my prayer for you .I have been obedient to the Father God by sharing the good news of the gospel with you and now I bid you adieu. I HAVE planted a seed that God alone can water. He has given a measure of faith to all men according to his word.I pray that faith will rise up in you to the saving of your soul. God Bless you and keep you.
Richard Haden 20-Sep-2008 16:21
You call this dutch fellows work, 'a labor of love' and 'talent'? I'd leave "love" out of it...and it is obvious that he is not a Shipwright. If he had the minimal talent of a ships carpenter he would, at least, have the ability to transcend the theatrical set...There are plenty examples of those who produce monuments dedicated to the whim of eccentricity...but usually those monuments are secular in nature but spiritual in inspiration. one such example is the Watts Tower.

Your Proselytizing words sounds like one who advocates "Jesus for Dummies" (will never really know the Bible. I used it for argument for over 30 years. Then like the woman at the well someone said to me COME SEE A MAN) All your chatter sounds like those in Kansas who try to teach us all about how creationism is left out of the realm of knowledge, by those in charge of teaching science, of the empirical kind.

It would be interesting if Christians were more like Buddhist; in that they do no out reach but depend on members seeking them out...Although, I guess, If Christians kept their beliefs to themselves we would be denied the pleasure of side show spectacular big top entertainment that so often adds entertainment by way of Gospel musics rich history and the hi-jinks of neighborhood preachers who on Sunday programming perform their acts on commercial TV. You know the kind...for example the likes of the comic stand up and con-artistry of TV or Big top preaching...all of who compete with the likes of Comedy central. Those who preached salvation through touching the TV camera. These were some good acts. The sets that Reverend Ernest Angley built, such as his white columns with mystical smoke bellowing as he stood on a the columns capital, raising capital. He stood for extracting the holy dollar from the ignorance of age, and from those who, never figured out how to invest in life, a life of there own....salvation for sale...

Your thirty years of trying to recruit lost souls to the trappings of Christianity only does a disservice to the overall health of the human spirit. There are no hidden mysteries in the Bible but only sophistry that oils the cash register of delusional salvation. And the idea that you think a paternal figure as represented in the peripatetic wanderings of many false Prophets, only disrupts you own enlightenment and conscious awareness of how spiritually capable, human kind can be__with out all the crap of made up dogma.

You and the persistence of Christian mental jacking always dilute freedom and goes to show every one how screwed up the Christian right are ruining what made the US original. From the dry uncreative monistic (as in Monism of Spinoza) spirit of old Europe to an American Baroque only to be undermined by the hysterics of archaic and out moded fiction.

If you want to learn new things try reading from all the great Philosophers who managed to trascend church cannon fodder while searching for truth in days of easily laid blame on those who were seen as heretics.
Pat20-Sep-2008 14:30
Mr. Haden I have no doubt that you are a learned man and have studied world religion. Good for you ! Congratulations !But until you receive the Lord as your savior you will never really know the Bible. I used it for argument for over 30 years.Then like the woman at the well someone said to me COME SEE A MAN and my life was changed forever. Now the hidden mysteries unfold.Let me reveal a simple truth to you . For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes on him and that he has risen and sits at the right hand of the Father will have everlasting life.That's the simple gospel truth. I pray as I prepare to post this that your heart will be open to receive it.
I don't understand how you can use wood in your craft and yet be so critical that this man did the same thing. Whether you accept the story of Noah or not ,this is a tremendous labor of love and great talent.
Richard Haden 20-Sep-2008 10:17
I don't know why Christians, Muslims, Jews, believe the Bible, Qu'ran, or Tora to be so hard to understand. A lot of scholars, intellectuals, men of letters, women who rewrote the mentalist letters...and so on all share a common understanding that historically, theology conveniently linked politics, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics and every thing, every where, and ultimate truth' as it's own territory... Then Philosophy took over the duties of waning theological dogma only to give way to science which became home to enlightenment and it's influences... into the social sciences was a major paradigm shift beyond the simple nature of the physical world. All cultural theories aside Christians are still trapped in a romantic past of false belief that original sin and Adam and Eve are inherited fact.

Books are read. What the authors intend is their influence, to teach to learn or to manipulate, especially when the text has a historical mission. The Bible has a lot of warm cozy stories but it's many authors had a purpose and it has always been to control society...it was let be by early Romans who realized it's potential as collar for the masses who were so eager to wear it. Early Plebs to up the collar of sorted myth and later digressed into surfs of feudal lords--all under the auspices of the Catholic or Church of England.

Mohammed's Qu'ran is the same. He used his wits to write a religion of Abrahamic descent to organize the Arabic people into a nation...several millennium back it was the Sun Gods of the Egyptians and before that it was the Star worshipers and before that who knows...

But it is clear that all those earlier religions happened before Noah and his tribe ever invented the old testament. The history of religious development in our world history is all about Mankind dealing by reflexive resistance, as insurgency to forces that he /she could not possibly understand or comprehend ....given the tools at hand--in his / her day.

You ask about wood...well, I am a wood sculptor of course.

Richard Haden
Pat 19-Sep-2008 05:02
Mr Haden it is obvious that The Bible is not your book.It is not for unbelievers.It would take a really great mind to understand all it has to say.And none of us have that kind of knowledge. Although we believers receive the mind of Christ when we receive salvation.But as a Christian I would love to share the joy of Christ with you. And oh the wonder of this most magnificent book to those of us who believe.It lives , it speaks , and it breathes life into the dying lives of men and women all over this wonderful world our God created.I would also like to ask you if you feel this passionate about all things wood. Like rollercoasters , boardwalks , fences , etc.
Richard Haden 18-Sep-2008 00:11
The truth content of all organized religions depends on a barge (much like the one holding up this visual trope or allegory). The Barge is the pedestal, that truth and Myth floats on. Needless waist of dwindling worlds resources can be applied to more than this silly Ark. Mega mansions, mega churches, Las Mega Vegas, useless commodity production, wood pulp for out modded messages and so on are at issue as well

Most biblical stories are nice teaching aids but the Ideas introduced into children about original sin, heaven and hell are but a few archaic socially repressive tools that keep a lot of the worlds problems afloat.

Once all the Abrahamic religeous dependents wake up and clear there heads, perhaps a really true spirituality will be realized.

The bible depends on a state of Cognitive dissonance for publishers and clergy to keep their profits drifting into the collection basket of denial.

It's not my book any more than is the Qur'an or the Tora. Buddha's reasoning to enlightenment are interesting but "passion" for made up words and syntax is human stagnation. A lot of Exegesis would show any one that.
Ron 17-Sep-2008 19:35
hmm a myth...actually, it's the Truth, one can choose to accept the Truth or to reject the Truth....it doesn't change the fact that the Bible is the Truth.

Even if it were solely for entertainment purposes, I think the world spends a lot more $$ on numerous sports facilities than on this one boat. Talk about a waste of resources.

I wonder what those individuals that were banging on this boat as the waters were rising thought about God's "myths"/promises. It happened, don't take a chance on it. Eternity is a long time.
Richard Haden 17-Sep-2008 19:16
With dwindling timber resources in the world why would some one waste so much valuable cedar to illustrate Myth. Is it that getting to the next world gives Christians license to ruin this one?
Philip South Africa 10-Sep-2008 10:31
to B Smith ,just a reminder that the big flood was not just rain ,as the word state ,and as Kent Hovind explain in his DVD's and in the BIBLE stating "There were water under and above the earth" ,amazing stuff ,you must search on Kent Hovinds info "age-of -the -earth" and "garden-of-eden" and many more un-answered questions.
B. Smith 12-Aug-2008 14:32
To the guest who is wondering....Does it float? : You will know that if the Lord ever allows it to rain for 40 days and 40 nights, all over the globe at once....But that will NEVER happen again because if you read your old testament, God put His bow(rainbow) in the sky to serve as a reminder that he would never destroy the WHOLE earth by means of a flood...(but He didn't say he wouldn't destroy it by fire...Live for Him always, and you needn't worry when the stars begin to fall...)
Guest, Canada 09-Aug-2008 19:35
Awwweeeesome..what an amazing tesimony of your faith..we need brothers like U who are not ashamed to stand up for what U believe In!
Guest 22-Jul-2008 23:16
But does it float?
Guest 22-Jul-2008 23:16
But does it float?
Lois Marie Uber 12-Jul-2008 00:38
Having taught this wonderful story many times to children in Sunday school over the years, how wonderful it would be for them to see thid replica-even on just on their computers alone. Our heavenly Father is so wonderful. How can anyone not believe the Bible and the salvation story. Our God wants all mankind to be saved and has given us all thr Gift of His Son--if we only believe.
an 86 year old woman who loves God with all my heart, mind and soul. Florida, USA
Aurea Suzette Redondo 10-Jul-2008 16:23
I would really want to see this. My grandchildren will have different and more meaningful insights of the story of Noah and the Ark
Nathan Turner 04-Jul-2008 05:39
God Bless you brother for your efforts. I'm in awe!
Linda West 30-Jun-2008 03:30
Dear Mr. Huiber, I pray that the Lord will bring a reform to your country as well as my own, the USA. What a wonderful way to "start the wave"! God bless you for your tremendous effort. Your sister in Christ, Linda from Phoenix, AZ,