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21-OCT-2010 Marisa

Of the use and abuse of meaningless comments...

The idea is not original.
I took it from a character of a Julian Barnes’ book, who sets down a kind of half-ironical list of the common places to avoid in the novels plots, taking - at his turn - inspiration for Mauriac’s “Mémoires”.


Taking that as starting point, I had the whim to apply this kind of principle to all the comments we leave to others’ photos, here in this virtual microcosm of the planet PBase, even though it might be equally valid to all the comments which proliferate in all sites of photography.

I discussed this approach with a friend, who is more cultivated than me and definitely more familiar with the capricious nuances of the English language and here are our conclusions, which are far from being definitive, since all should continue to evolve and progress as old Anassagora has tried hard to make us understand for many centuries (my two or three readers might remember my troglodyte features, which make me live in the present with an outlook on the past, ready to hide myself in my reassuring cave).


I’m guilty of many of the faults I’m going to stigmatize here, so I trust my words will be interpreted as an exercise in humility addressed to myself - first of all - to try to avoid in future the same flaws which have slightly annoyed me in others, but unluckily I have occasionally committed too.



Self-indulgence is the worst counsellor when we have the sincere intention to learn to do better, in all fields.


I won’t speak here of the purposes and the reasons for leaving comments on others’ photos.
I do think that all of us, theoretically, agree that it would be more correct and mature to leave a comment only when we are quite impressed by the quality of a photo or of a series of photos which are appealing for our sense of aesthetic or personal sensitiveness.
In reality it happens to be conditioned by other factors, as “do ut des” ratio or others it’s useless to mention now.
What interests me here is drafting a half-serious list of what it would be better to avoid in the form of a comment, the unbearable repetition and common places which deprive them of every credibility and value.


It should be totally forbidden to comment a photo of food by “Yummy” or “You makes me feel hungry now”.


People who dare to comment a photo of an autumnal wood by the words “Nice Colour” should be imprisoned until winter in a grey jail.


People who comment a sunrise shot by “Beautiful Sunset” should be forbidden to comment anything connected with nature and weather for ten years.


People who comment it doesn’t matter what by saying “Beautiful picture. Voted” should pay a fine of at least 300 euro (we accept payments in dollars too, by credit card or Paypal).


Of course people who comment systematically on all the new galleries with only one or two photos (at the very begin of a newly posted gallery) with comments like “Great series,nice start.Congrats! BV” must be condemned to study all Quechua dialects in a monastery on the Andes for three years and then forced to leave comments only in those languages.
(How can they know it’s a great series? And if all the following photos would be just snapshots of Auntie Molly on her birthday? It makes more sense if one is really impressed by a photo and adds in the comment that they hope to see soon other pictures of the same quality in that gallery. )
Possibly they’ll have a chance to take photos during the stay in the Andes monastery, so there will be a double advantage.


“Nice Image” - Nice image. The word nice should be banished from the English language.
It is a weak word, grey, anodyne, and means very little because of overuse.
I sometimes fall into the trap of inadvertently using it, but when I do I try to make it mean pleasant, pleasing, pretty, kind etc.... (oh, I have to hang my head...I do use “ nice” too often...)


People addicted to one word comments like "Exquisite. Excellent. Wonderful. Lovely" should say what makes it so, so such words deserve at least one qualifying line.
Otherwise they will be condemned to communicate with their family and acquaintances only by written limericks for a period of two weeks.


People who are frequent users of copied and pasted comments should be obliged to write a personal letter of at least 35 lines to all the addressees of their former copied and pasted short line.


«A very creative gallery." What does this mean? Is it the creative use of the camera? Is it the creative approach to the subject? Is it the excellent creative use of post- processing? As an Irish Cardinal once said to a student priest in a "viva voce" to defend his doctoral thesis while the student was discussing a point of argument: "Precise nunc!" We need a lot more precise nuncs in PBase!
I’m definitely guilty of abuse of the word “creative”, I’m ready to pay my fine, which consists in finding synonymous in my next comments and in being much more accurate in offering an effective feed-back.


All the people who leave insincere comments on patently awful images, calling them artistic, when they are clearly not, should be engaged by the municipality of the closest big town to their home to repaint walls disfigured by ugly tags (not graffiti, they might be a beautiful form of popular art indeed) and then they should receive sincere and very direct comments to their photos from the strictest and most sarcastic photography professional critics of the world.


Of course, people who cannot master the English language might consider these “rules” valid in their own language.
While it’s obvious that if they commit syntactic imprecision writing in a language which is not their own, they will be exempted from all sanctions for that.


I can allow myself to write this long and probably boring text only because I’m here in my cave where very few visitors come to peep; but at least listing these basic suggestions has encouraged me to do my best to not fall too often into those useless mistakes.
What would be good, I think, would be to write a true critical comment on pictures, pointing out what we consider its faults and good points.
It’s always possible to use the private comment option which could lead to a valuable exchange of views between commenter and posting photographer.
I notice with joy that already several people have started doing that, so we have bright hopes in our future...
Polite use of language would keep this exchange both civilised and fruitful.

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Barry S Moore11-Jan-2013 08:45
It would be good if pbase provided a button that says "liked" and records the pbaser's name accordingly that has taken the time to look further than the thumbnail. Such a list would provide a little more encouragement to the photographer without having to place mundane comments such as "excellent" or "good composition" as is the current practice. When the photo warrants a written comment we all should contribute more than the trite comments we currently have. Nevertheless a trite comment is better than none at all.
Martin Lamoon23-Oct-2010 07:39
Hi Marisa, A very true message and one I must agree with and often find myself guilty of committing. I apologise to all those I have treated this way. However it is interesting to see those who have taken the time to stop and view , just to know that we are not alone out there on the web. Many of those commenting have great gallery's and thus promote ideas for your own next shoot or place to visit, I find this useful. Perhaps a 'Just Stopped By' or similar would be appropriate?

Although English is my first language I do find it hard at times to promote my thoughts and feelings into descriptive words when commenting on the many wonderful photographs to be found on PBase.

I personally think that the photographers' should also leave more comments / descriptions about their own work even to say why they took the photo, or just to say - 'A Happy Snapper'.

I now feel guilty and must review the photos from my trip over the last 2 weeks and try to think of some appropriate comments to add as to why I snapped the photos on my Alderney vacation which I may or may not now post!
Chad Ramsey23-Oct-2010 03:28
Bravo for saying this and thank you for the inspiration! V
Nancy Daniels23-Oct-2010 01:52
You sound positively cranky today. Often I add just one word because I'm not sure what else to say. Your pictures often leave me speechless.
mario .n22-Oct-2010 20:31
Moralité de cette histoire et du commentaire de Denis Vincelette, prendre les personnes telles qu'elles sont, et ne pas chercher à les façonner à notre image !
Denis Vincelette22-Oct-2010 11:49
Mon Dieu ... j'ai fait plein de fautes et j'ai appuyé sur "send comment" avant de corriger et relire mon texte .. désolé ! Prière d'excuser mon erreur bien involontaire !
Denis Vincelette22-Oct-2010 11:47
Bon ! Un petit "comming out" ce matin ? :-) Ça me fait sourire ta photo et ton texte ... Pas "rire" comprenons nous , mais sourire ... je reconnais la Blonde Suissesse méticuleuse que tu es !

Lorsque je me promène dans la rue de mon village lors de ma marche, certaines gens me font un salut de la main, d'autres me lancent un petit "Bonjour..Ça va ? " et de répondre machinalement : "Oui, ça va merci !"

Qu'en est-il de ces petits mots courts et sans vraiment raison d'être puisqu'il n'y a pas de développement qui suit ? Je les prend comme une marque d'attention, un contact humain, un geste gentil, un partage instantané entre deux personnes ... une différence entre être animal et humain ! On se salue, se dit intérieurement quelque chose comme : "Je te souhaite uen belle journée et j'espère que tout va bien pour toi.. je suis content de t'avoir croisé aujourd,hui .. "

La plupart du temps, il n'est absolument pas nécessaire d'exposer longuement ses raisons de saluer une personne, un travail, un effort .. ou une photo ! Rares sont les fois où une personne prend le temps vraiment de détailler son "Bonjour toi " .... nous ne lui demandons pas :
"Mais que veux tu dire exactement, pourquoi me salues-tu? "

Ici, sur cette planète PBAse, je considère les petits mots courts et sans trop d'explications comme des salutations faites comme les genes de la rue font ! "Eh Salut "

Est-il vraiment nécessaire chaque fois d'expliquer de long en large le pourquoi nous aimons une photo? D'un encouragement ? D'une salutation ? Je ne pense pas .... alors personnellement je ne serais pas d'avis d'envoyer ces gens aux enfers ou à l'étude durant 30 ans :-))))

Oui, certaines personnes le font pour attirer des visites sur leur pages je le reconnais .. mais c'est tellement pas grave !

Je préfère une personne qui me visite courtement et rapidement en me saluant que l'indifférence ..... histoire de ne pas me sentir seul, histoire de recevoir une petite tape dans le dos d'encouragement, histoire de salutations .... histoire de contact simplement !

Je ne demanderais pas aux gens qui achèteraient mes repas si j'avais un restaurant, pourquoi ils ont aimé tel ou tel plat .... Ils ont aimé, good ! Cela me fait plaisir .. le pourquoi est vraiment relatif et ne serait pas le même pour chaque personne de toute façon !

Et il y a le facteur temps aussi .... écrire toutes les raisons et les expliquer à cahque image que l'on apprécie demande du temps ! Plusieurs n'en ont pas de trop !

Ma fille le soir vient me voir avant de se coucher .... Elle m'embrasse et me dit " Je t'aime!" .... cela me suffit, je ne lui demande pas ce qui fait qu'elle m'aime !

Ces mots sont suffisants . sa présence de ces 4 secondes aussi .... Il faut savoir aller chercher dans ces quelques secondes ce que je souhaite recevoir ... et ce que la personne a pu gentiement me donner en imaginant derrière ces secondes, mots ou phrases ...

Souvent, un ensemble plaît sans devoir ou savoir expliciter chaque détail de ce qui plaît ... et le simple fait de prendre une seconde ou deux pour donner ces secondes ou deux à autrui en lui faisant voir leur appréciation est déjà un cadeau à recevoir ....

J'exclue évidemment les gens qui ne le font que par but personnel.. recevoir des visites et commentaires ! Je le dis pour ceux qui, sans intentions de retour, prennent leurs secondes de vie à eux et te la donnent par un petit mot, bonjour, salutation à toi ou ton travail ou ton art et ta photo .... Rien ne les oblige à le faire et lorsque je marche, je préfère un court contact visuel, salutation de la main, petit "Bonjour ça va ?" que l'indifférence totale des gens .....

Çela fait parti des humains de ne pas aimer se sentir trop seul !

J'aime bien ces réflexions qui arrêtent le temps parfois, l'immobilise, le gèle ... et nous fait réfléchir sur les raisons des automatismes de la vie et/ou/avec des gens dont nous faisons également partie !

Merci pour cet instant de réflexion ce matin Marisa ... bien que n'étant pas en accord avec tous tes écrits ici, je conviens qu'ils ont leur raison d'être mais je voit la situation différemment ... peu importe ! L'important est d'avoir pris ces minutes en réflexion comme un vieux sage Chinois l'aurait fait, bien assis les jambes croisées une par dessus l'autre et en tunique comme vêtement ... Prendre le temps, longuement ou une seconde pour la donner à autrui, mais prendre le temps d'avoir un contact avec les autres humains de la planète ... longuement et explicitement et en détails, ou par un simple clin d'oeil, salutation, regard ou mot ... mais prendre ce temps !

Nous ne le prenons pas (moi le premier) suffisemment ... mais ta photo ( ton texte et tes raisons plutôt) m'a fait stopper, et prendre ce temps.

Alors merci !

Bonne journée à toi .... :-)))

Máire Uí Mhaicín22-Oct-2010 10:50
:)) But I DO rather like your use of yellow and blue as good contrasts from the colur wheel here, and the two cows on the card have a thoughtful appearance as they ruminate and peer over your notebook at your comments. I find that if I start a comment with the words "I like" it makes me think about why I like the picture. Maybe it's the subject matter, and if I see a really yummy meal presented I'd definitely like to think I'd say more than "yummy" though I've probably fallen into that transgression in the past too.
Seriously, I like your suggestion of using the private comment possibility more often. There lies the true way of non-intrusive helpful positive critiquing. Your public face is saved, and you can continue to improve your work privately under better guidance of those who understand composition, exposure, and other technical aspects of photography. Since I joined Pbase people have helped me very generously in this respect and I have learned such a lot.
Jan Bakker22-Oct-2010 08:06
When Pbasers apply all these rules I might not get any comments at all, except from you and two or three others. But maybe your right. At least I will have some well-founded comments then. Lots of people send out 100-dreds of comments just to draw attention to their own galleries. Because, polite as we are, we will visit the galleries of the people who comment ours. By the way, Marisa, thanks for the last two extended remarks on my photo's by you. They were a joy to read and very encouraging!
borisalex22-Oct-2010 07:29
I really try often to use more vocabulary to describe my feelings, if I see a picture I like, it´s often latley though, that I use words you mentioned here. I agree as being just overused and not explaining enough in a context, why something is beautiful for the viewer or even not!! I will try harder in the future! Thank you so much for this, Marisa!
Judi Hastings22-Oct-2010 04:08
You crack me up with your words of wisdom, and I too have fallen into the trap of saying such things as you have mentioned! I think sometimes people don't know why they love a pix and just can't put it into words, so they say 'nice pix' or 'great sunset"....and sometimes we're just passing thru and want to let someone know we were there, we did take the time to look and just aren't educated enough to put why we love the photo into technical terms. :) Anyhow...your photo makes one think, so its a job well done. :)
Guest 22-Oct-2010 03:21
Love your reflections of comments you see! What I like most there is still one word passed successfully your test! remember that is my word "Impeccable" I assume I am allowed to continue using this word! :)

Last but not least I enjoy your creativity and the originality of your work its just Impeccable! :)
PauloCGama22-Oct-2010 00:11
ps: sorry for the mistakes here, I didn't check just wrote these words. :))
PauloCGama22-Oct-2010 00:10
Yes, great start of a wonderful gallery, I am pretty sure about that. Big V!!
LOL

Funny text with true words. I fact, like Steve, yourself and so many other I've also transgressed it many times. I agree with you, Marisa. Really do.
I guess we should start writing about the things we like (things we don't may be in pvt). I know that writing in another language than my native one sometime words may be missed but I also know the general idea will be understood.
I am with you. :)
Steve Sharp21-Oct-2010 22:33
ps only joking! :) As you know I tend to agree with a lot of that, and now you have me wondering how much in fines and penances I have to pay as I'm sure I've transgressed a few of those in my time! Love the increasingly inventive penances too :)
Steve Sharp21-Oct-2010 22:31
Nice cows. Voted ;-)